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onifre
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Message 136 of 181 (650558)
02-01-2012 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Perdition
01-27-2012 10:30 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
The link led to a quote from the former director of the CIA. I'd consider him a pretty good source.
Former? Um, I don't find that to be a valid source. He may have gotten fired for lying about this very subject. I'll just assume he did.
The "liberal media" supposedly refers to biased reporting in news shows.
No, that would be the liberal NEWS. Media is any source of, well, media. And ALL sources of media in the US are either gay, liberal or jewish...but always wrong. Especially the jews.
Their answer would be emotional, too, not logical, so I wouldn't consider that if you won't consider mine.
Well there's a problem, mine is right. Yours is just plain wrong.
Or turning the whole region to glass so there are no more people in the area to dislike us. This could take considerably less than two years, assuming the Republicans gain control of the entire government. However, this would probably make our reputation in the rest of the world go down a peg or six.
This is the ONLY way I see it going down in a way that works. As far as the rest of the world's opinion of us, HA! They better keep it to themselves if they know what's good for them.
Yes, and "our way of life" includes cheap bananas and oil. (See Nicaragua)
Which has now changed to burgers and tacos. (See all the fatties)
But the Packers beat the Giants first, meaning the Giants beat themselves
And my point stands, they beat EVERYBODY, including themselves.
The US of A is the best cause we could destroy any country, including our own!
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 137 of 181 (650560)
02-01-2012 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Straggler
01-29-2012 9:28 AM


Re: Capitalism may have a dark side....
But in global standard of living terms I suspect you and I are very much still amongst the richest.
We hold ourselves to a higher standard than the rest of the world, you should know that. Just look at our version of The Office compared to yours.
So while they may want to be at the level of our poor class, and believe me that's where we want them to stay, we cannot as Americans use that as OUR standard.
We are better than them and should not only realize we are, but remind them we are on a daily basis by complaining that we want more at the cost of every other country having less.
- Oni

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Message 138 of 181 (650586)
02-01-2012 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by onifre
02-01-2012 1:48 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Your sarcasm is brilliant. Jesus uses Comedians to spread the good news!

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Perdition
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Message 139 of 181 (650591)
02-01-2012 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by onifre
02-01-2012 1:48 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Former? Um, I don't find that to be a valid source. He may have gotten fired for lying about this very subject. I'll just assume he did.
Ok, you do that. I'll just assume you're lying about your actual beliefs here.
No, that would be the liberal NEWS. Media is any source of, well, media. And ALL sources of media in the US are either gay, liberal or jewish...but always wrong. Especially the jews.
Aren't gay and liberal supposed to be synonyms? And what about a gay liberal Jew, which type of media would he create? And if two wrongs don't make a right, what about three?
Well there's a problem, mine is right. Yours is just plain wrong.
Wow, we agree...mine is right and yours is wrong. Woohoo!
This is the ONLY way I see it going down in a way that works. As far as the rest of the world's opinion of us, HA! They better keep it to themselves if they know what's good for them.
I agree that this is the only way that works to make an entire region of individual people stop hating us. However, there is only so much of the planet you can turn to glass before the planet decides to eat you while you're meditating to figure out what it wants...
Which has now changed to burgers and tacos. (See all the fatties)
Both of which have tomatoes which we often get from Mexico, and beef which we get from Venezuela or Australia. I foresee a war "down under" if beef prices rise too much.
And my point stands, they beat EVERYBODY, including themselves.
Except for the KC Chiefs, who beat the Packers without first losing to them, So wouldn't that make the Chiefs the best team?
/shudder
The US of A is the best cause we could destroy any country, including our own!
But so could any country with enough nukes...Israel, India, Pakistan, France...
I guess, using your logic, since we already beat France once (sort of), just like the Packers beat the Giants, the fact that France could beat us, thus beating everyone we've beaten, including themselves, they are the winners. Right?

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Perdition
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Message 140 of 181 (650592)
02-01-2012 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by onifre
02-01-2012 1:57 AM


Re: Capitalism may have a dark side....
Just look at our version of The Office compared to yours.
What, you mean completely losing the premise? I mean, what kind of "office documentary" would run for 7 years? At leas the UK version kept themselves honest.

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Message 141 of 181 (650599)
02-01-2012 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Perdition
02-01-2012 10:43 AM


Re: Capitalism may have a dark side....
Perdition writes:
Oni writes:
Just look at our version of The Office compared to yours.
What, you mean completely losing the premise? I mean, what kind of "office documentary" would run for 7 years? At leas the UK version kept themselves honest.
This is what actually convinced me he was pulling our leg.
He would have to be too stupid to type in a forum to prefer the american Office.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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onifre
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Message 142 of 181 (650601)
02-01-2012 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Perdition
02-01-2012 10:43 AM


You're about to cross the line
What, you mean completely losing the premise? I mean, what kind of "office documentary" would run for 7 years? At leas the UK version kept themselves honest.
Holy mothereffing shits! [*BLINK*] You did not just say that?
What runs for 7 years? I don't know, a successful TV show?
Better actors, deeper involvement in the characters, deeper plots, much more loavble characters, and for christ sake Steve Carell is better than that no talent, wanna-be edgy, snaggle toothed hack that Gevais is.
Even Gervais thinks so. The only good thing Gervais did was loose weight.
ALL American shows beat british shows. What's next, someone is going to come out in defense of the IT Crowd or Downton Abbey? Kill yourselves.
- Oni

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Perdition
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Message 143 of 181 (650602)
02-01-2012 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by onifre
02-01-2012 11:12 AM


Re: You're about to cross the line
What runs for 7 years? I don't know, a successful TV show?
I don't deny that it's successful, but the premise of the show, that of it being a documaentary of office life, just doesn't make sense considering the sheer length fo time the supposed documentary has been running.
I like Steve Carrell, and even occassionally watch reruns, but you have to admit the premise makes no sense any more.
Better actors, deeper involvement in the characters, deeper plots, much more loavble characters, and for christ sake Steve Carell is better than that no talent, wanna-be edgy, snaggle toothed hack that Gevais is.
I like Gervais too. His version of The Office was more British oriented, I'll admit, but it stuck to the premise much better. It was more consistent.
As for deeper involvement with the characters, once again, this is supposed to be a documentary about working in an office. Deeper involvement is another inconsistency with the premise.
ALL American shows beat british shows. What's next, someone is going to come out in defense of the IT Crowd or Downton Abbey? Kill yourselves.
What about Red Dwarf? It ran for 9 seasons in the UK. The American version didn't get much past the pilot.
Or Doctor Who...I'm not a huge fan, but considering its been on the air for longer than any American TV show except for Soap Operas, it would seem to be the "best" TV show.

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Straggler
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Message 144 of 181 (650609)
02-01-2012 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by onifre
02-01-2012 1:57 AM


Re: Capitalism may have a dark side....
Dark Oni writes:
We hold ourselves to a higher standard than the rest of the world, you should know that.
A moral example to us all. Especially your government. The phrase "moral high ground" was invented for you guys.
Dark Oni writes:
Just look at our version of The Office compared to yours.
Steve Carrell is indeed physically, morally and dramatically superior to Ricky Gervais. He's probably paid more too. And he has better teeth.
Dark Oni writes:
So while they may want to be at the level of our poor class, and believe me that's where we want them to stay, we cannot as Americans use that as OUR standard.
Ahhhh yes. The American dream. Where anyone can aspire to be as wealthy as Mitt Romney except the poor people. They can't. Obviously. Because then there wouldn't be anyone to do the work that makes those living the dream so rich.
Dark Oni writes:
We are better than them and should not only realize we are, but remind them we are on a daily basis by complaining that we want more at the cost of every other country having less.
The application of the American dream on a global scale. This is what makes your nation so loved around the world.

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Straggler
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Message 145 of 181 (650611)
02-01-2012 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by onifre
02-01-2012 11:12 AM


Re: You're about to cross the line
Dark Oni writes:
The only good thing Gervais did was loose weight.
It's "lose weight".
"Loose" is what your clothes are after the weight loss.
What is it with you Yanks and spelling......

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onifre
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Message 146 of 181 (650626)
02-01-2012 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Straggler
02-01-2012 11:43 AM


Re: Capitalism may have a dark side....
A moral example to us all. Especially your government. The phrase "moral high ground" was invented for you guys.
Now you're getting it. But I have a sneaking suspicion that you're being sarcastic. For shame, Straggler.
I'll just have to hope that you're being genuine and have seen the errors of your thinking.
Steve Carrell is indeed physically, morally and dramatically superior to Ricky Gervais. He's probably paid more too. And he has better teeth.
Agreed.
Ahhhh yes. The American dream. Where anyone can aspire to be as wealthy as Mitt Romney except the poor people. They can't. Obviously. Because then there wouldn't be anyone to do the work that makes those living the dream so rich.
Absolutely true. With one exception of course, and that's athletes. The, for obvious reasons, best members of our society. No fatties, and that makes the US look good.
The application of the American dream on a global scale. This is what makes your nation so loved around the world.
So now it's Buz, Phat, Straggler and myself with the same opinion of the American dream. If we could only get Dronester.
Our team is growing guys!
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 147 of 181 (650627)
02-01-2012 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Straggler
02-01-2012 11:53 AM


Re: You're about to cross the line
It's "lose weight".
"Loose" is what your clothes are after the weight loss.
I wrote 'lose'. Percy must have gone in and changed it to 'loose' to make me look bad or something.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 148 of 181 (650629)
02-01-2012 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Perdition
02-01-2012 11:18 AM


Re: You're about to cross the line
I don't deny that it's successful, but the premise of the show, that of it being a documaentary of office life
It's a MOCKumentary. You do know it's fake, right?
It's supposed to run long, as a successful show. And it's a true testament to the ability of the AMERICAN writers to take Gervais' simple idea and create the monster that the US Office has become. You're welcome, Brits.
What about Red Dwarf? It ran for 9 seasons in the UK. The American version didn't get much past the pilot.
Or Doctor Who...I'm not a huge fan, but considering its been on the air for longer than any American TV show except for Soap Operas, it would seem to be the "best" TV show.
I'm sorry but these shows are what I like to refer to as British garbage.
- Oni

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Perdition
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Message 149 of 181 (650631)
02-01-2012 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by onifre
02-01-2012 12:59 PM


Re: You're about to cross the line
It's a MOCKumentary. You do know it's fake, right?
Yes, I know it's fake, but the length of the show just exposes the fact that its fake. When a parody hits you over the head with the fact that its not real, it loses its parodic credentials.
Spinal Tap is a mockumentary, and you know what? It sticks to the format of a real documentary and just inserts ridiculous elements. If Spinal Tap became a film series, it would quickly lose the novelty of the idea and become stale.
It's supposed to run long, as a successful show.
Then the authors are lazy. If they wanted it to run long, they could have come up with a premise that fit a long running show, or even made it a plot point or something.
And it's a true testament to the ability of the AMERICAN writers to take Gervais' simple idea and create the monster that the US Office has become. You're welcome, Brits
You DO know that Ricky Gervais was one of the executive directors of the US version, right?
I'm sorry but these shows are what I like to refer to as British garbage.
I figured that, you're more of a Keeping Up With The Kardashians person.

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onifre
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Message 150 of 181 (650635)
02-01-2012 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Perdition
02-01-2012 1:07 PM


Re: You're about to cross the line
Yes, I know it's fake, but the length of the show just exposes the fact that its fake. When a parody hits you over the head with the fact that its not real, it loses its parodic credentials.
It's like you don't even care that Pam and Jim fell in love and had a baby.
I'll just assume once again that you have no clue what you're talking abut and let the 100's of 1000's of Emmy's the Office has won speak for itself.
Then the authors are lazy. If they wanted it to run long, they could have come up with a premise that fit a long running show, or even made it a plot point or something.
Well, like I said, it was a stupid British idea. The point I'm making is that the US made the show successful inspite of the moronic premise that Gervais came up with.
The folks on the show, actors and writers, are just trying to keep a job. And they've done amazing work.
You DO know that Ricky Gervais was one of the executive directors of the US version, right?
PRODUCER...executive producer, not director. There have been many directors of the episodes. ALL Americans though, as it should be.
I figured that, you're more of a Keeping Up With The Kardashians person.
Best show on TV right now, thank you very much.
- Oni

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