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Just because its easy doesn't mean people know how to do it.Too, there's surrounding issues of burning the movie onto a DVD so you can watch it on TV - again, not difficult but still something that would have to be learned.I'm thinking about people like my parents here... they don't really "get" computers. Heh, there's an old guy on the local radio show here who has a funny line:

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I don't computer.

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Yeah, 100 yards from my parents house is where I got my free copy of Skyrim. But my buddy ain't gonna sit around and burn them DVD's all day.But when the Red Box came to town and they found out they could rent a movie for only a dollar, they were all over it. And I'm sure they'd love to watch all their movies for totally free and would if they were capable.But right now they can't, and they pay for them. They don't care about patronizing the artists, or anything. They just "have" to pay for it so they do.I didn't see this taken into account in Crash's position.

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What's the good software and sites these days? I haven't pirated anything in years. I never got into the bit torrenting... the last software I used was peer-2-peer stuff like Limewire. It all started for me with the Scoure Exchange freshman year in college on the uber-fast T1 lines they had set up.We got "0-day" movies... saw American Beauty on a monitor in a dormroom the day it hit the theaters. Hadn't even heard of it. It took a minute for that one to get traction and I remember someone being all: "Have you seen this movie yet!" and I go: "Uh, didn't I see that a couple months ago".OH! Or Tony Hawk Pro-Skater on a modded playstation. Holy shit did we have blast with that game from day 0 to... shit... that was a long one.

Well, yes, it's illegal to upload stuff here too (downloading is legal), but as long as you're not doing terrabytes per month, nobody's going to care over here either way. And yet, it's not like it's terribly hard to alter a setting in your bittorrent client. But fair enough, less tech savvy people will probably not know this. Hehe. Indeed. On the other hand though, I think the pirates have won. I think it's far too late for anybody to stop them now.For instace, the example I've given. The anti-piracy lobby in The Netherlands, represented by "stichting BREIN" (literally: BRAIN foundation, it's an acronym), have won a court case against two ISP's, which means they have to block the pirate bay website, and IP adresses. The blocade went live yesterday, and yet, even the people who use those two ISP's have been handed so many tools to still access the piratebay, it's nothing more then a minor inconvenience to them, at the very worst, they'll need to wait a few seconds more before the page loads. As youcan tell, this was a real victory for the anti-piracy guys.

Oh? Seems I seriously overestimated the human race once again. Damn my eternal optimism!

Then it's not as simple as downloading bittorrent and surfing a bay of pirates because the very nature of torrenting is that you are sharing while you download. It takes quite a bit a fiddling to make your self "invisible" from the swarm. Much more work than ma' an pa' can muster.

This is really at the core of it - there's plenty to stop people doing it.I'd be staggered if the majority of people know what a torrent is let alone how to get one. I'd be equally staggered if they also knew how to rip a DVD from it or connect their PC to their 20 year old CRT TV and play the pirated film.I'd be staggered again if the majority of people thought that it was ok to break the law and then go ahead and do it, in the knowledge that there is a risk involved - no matter how distant it might seem to us.BUT in a world were all of those issues have gone away and everyone is used to the concept of no copyright, free content and no technology or knowledge barriers, then, of course everyone will do it. THAT's when Hollywood is dead.

Well, ok. But one search in google will tell you everything. Burn movies to watch them on a tv? It's called a media player and streaming. Pff, you live in the 2000's But they've got you, don't they? You're telling me you couldn't teach them: "Push this button, enter search term here, click on link", after you set up their computer for them? Who's talking about DVD's, digital copies man, it's the future! Or rather, the present. If I could rent all movies, digitally and in HD, for a dollar (that's like 75 cents over here), I'd stop downloading, immediately Ok, fair enough. But really, A dollar? A dollar is too much to pay for a movie? Well, not sure if I should lay out pirating ways on the forum for all to see. Search on google for "Bittorent", or "how to torrent", and it will all be made clear. Just get the program they tell you to, go to the pirate bay, and download away. Might also want to google for "how to turn uploading off in my bittorrent client" though, seems people in the US get hammered rather quickly.

Yes, but you forgot the second part of that sentence: So for us, it really is that simple. Unless you upload an ungodly amount of content, you'll never get busted.

I was talking more about the technical part of it. Guess, we live in different technological environments. Literally everyone I know (well, apart from the bum down the street), has a flatscreen TV, and a PC. If they themselves do not know what torrents are, they've got people who can set up their PC's for them so that it literally doesn't become more then a few clicks and a search to start donwloading. Then of course, you simply set up a media player to their TV's, and a whole new world of content awaits them. Well, over here, downloading a movie is legal, so that aspect goes out the window as well. But yes, that could be a reason not to do it. Again, I was referring to the technical part of it. Like I told Catholic Scientist, if I could download a digital HD copy of a movie as easily as I can now torrent it, and the price would be reasonable, I'd stop downloading it for free immediately. If say, something like Netflix came along, where I had to pay 20 Euros per month, and I could download and watch any movie I like at any time I like in HD, I'd say goodbye to torrents or usenet in a heartbeat. And funnily enough, most people I know also feel this way.

That's what you say now.In the world where it's as easy, as convenient and legal to get the movie for free, why would anyone pay a company like Netflix to get it? Everything about human behaviour and economic theory says that the majority, if not all, would use the free method rather than the paid for method. To say otherwise requires a massive leap and flies in the face of common sense.

But you gotta know what to search for. I doubt they've ever even heard the phrase "bit torrent". I guess I do. Fuck that. I've got enough hassle as the family IT guy as it is. I don't want to add bit torrenting to the list. I still watch DVD's... Red Box doesn't carry the latest releases and I don't think they have bluerays. No, not at all. That wouldn't have anything to do with it. They've got money, but they'd still take the free route if they could. Fair enough. I'm sure I could figure it out. But then, I'd rather spend that time playing SWTOR or BF3 And that gets back to one of the points: I don't give a shit about patronizing the artists that made those games and I would have pirated them if I could have. But I can't, so they got my money. Yeah... The answer here is not things like SOPA, Hollywood needs to get their own version of Steam where we can just pay at home to watch the movie at home. That'd be tits.

Indeed. Have you any reason to think I wouldn't? Do you know more about me than I do? But I already live in such a world... Want to know why I would pay for such a system? Because I think people should get paid for the work they perform. Basically the same reason I still pay for movies and music and games today, though, I will admit, not all of them. But I wouldn't be able to afford those at the current pricing anyway, so there's no sale lost. While my experiences may be subjective, it points me in to an entirely different conclusion. Should I now abandon my own "common sense" and ascribe to yours?

Fair enough. Ok, just saying, you could if you wanted to. I use them as coasters. But to each their own. Ah well, let's say two dollars for blue rays then. And not carrying the latest releases is big nono. But If that's all you got, I guess it's not too bad. Why? Do they work for free? I've found SWTOR to a bit "meh", for my taste. It's basically WoW, and I really don't enjoy that stuff anymore. Well, I do, and most people I know also do. 'twould be double D's sir, double D's I tell you!

Yes, I could. Yet, they still have to pay for their movies.If they didn't have to, they wouldn't. No, its just that free is cheaper than, well, any cost. Everybody likes getting stuff for free. Not everybody cares about patronizing the artists, and I think most people don't. Crash's position seems to partially rest on people voluntarily paying when they don't have to. The Louis CK example is a skewed result, imho, because he marketed it as being that from the get-go. I think a lot of people paid to make the point, not because they cared about patronizing the artist. I've bought CD's that I had already downloaded because I like the artist enough to patronize them. I don't doubt that it'll happen.But I do doubt the idea that unfettered dowloading would not hurt the movie industry. Especially as being because people will voluntarily pay when they don't have to. I know, right! Why hasn't someone gotten on this yet?

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No, its basically Vanilla WoW... I'm enough of a Star Wars fanboy that I'd probably still enjoy the game even if it was worse. Regardless, I think its a good MMO. Its fresh and entertaining and I'm enjoying it. But then, I still like playing MMO's.

That's exactly the way it will go. Digital content will be delivered digitally and either streamed or stored locally or a combination. The concept of manufacturing a piece of plastic, printing it, shipping it all around the world and having to go into a congested town with no parking to buy it or get it posted to you is obviously the past not the future.Steam (Valve) says that they are a service business (as opposed to an IP property creator). They half mean it, they still have the copyright symbol on all their works and always will but i understand their point.Netflix is the same idea and is a brilliant service. But actually we only need one Netflix that holds all content. But that's a monopoly.... One way to not have a monopoly is to have many Netflix but how does that work, by limiting content to particular service providers? You can only get LW18 from NetflixA but LW21 is on NetflixB, so you have to pay two subscriptions? Dunno, but I do know that none of it works if content has no copyright.

From my perspective and in my opinion, this whole copyright fiasco has corporations in mind, not the artist and most certainly not the consumer. It has been pointedly obvious, even in this thread, that we as consumers don't have a voice in how we should get our entertainment, but rather accept how "they" want to feed it to us. Until consumers speak up about the dying business model, nothing will change. This is evident in the slew of bills that are going through congress (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA): they do nothing for consumers or even producers. They protect corporate shareholders' pocket books.So, have the discussions about the morality of piracy all you want: it won't stop, nor even slow down until Hollywood catches up with the internet age. And when they finally do, the internet will be something new.....