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Author | Topic: SOPA/PIPA and 'Intellectual Property' | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jon Inactive Member
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There has been a lot of talk in the Internet lately surrounding legislation pending in the U.S. House and Senate (SOPA and PIPA, respectively). The reported goals of the pending legislation are to protect 'intellectual property' (research, writings, music, productions, etc.).
What no one seems to want to ask, detractors of the legislation included, is whether 'intellectual property' is something that actually needs to be protected, or, indeed, something that even exists at all. Supposedly 'piracy' stifles creativity by reducing incentive for artists to create, but this is the same old worn-out argument used when arguing for reducing taxes on people already shitting dollars. I maintain that free access to art, entertainment, research, etc. plays an essential role in spreading and encouraging creativity, and is, furthermore, a fundamental human right. Not only do efforts like SOPA and PIPA need to die where they stand; but we need to take even further measures to cut profit-making out of the arts and entertainment aspects of our communities. People shouldn't have to pay for access to their own culture! JonLove your enemies!
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread copied here from the SOPA/PIPA and 'Intellectual Property' thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Jon writes: I fully agree in that Freedom of Speech is fundamental to our culture and censorship protects nobody. If people cant make money on Social media sites, they need to get more creative rather than expecting Uncle Sam to protect their advertisement.
Supposedly 'piracy' stifles creativity by reducing incentive for artists to create, but this is the same old worn-out argument used when arguing for reducing taxes on people already shitting dollars. I maintain that free access to art, entertainment, research, etc. plays an essential role in spreading and encouraging creativity, and is, furthermore, a fundamental human right.
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Jon Inactive Member |
I fully agree in that Freedom of Speech is fundamental to our culture Freedom of Speech is really only a small part of it. The real issue is the use of government law in place of private distribution contracts.Love your enemies!
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
are we protecting freedom of speech or commercial license, though?
if a guy invents a new song and posts it on You Tube, are we protecting his commercial rights or are we protecting his freedom of expression?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Jon writes: OK, say I sing a song and post it on You Tube. How is that different from singing on a street corner? And were someone to record me on a street corner, would I have any claim against them? The reported goals of the pending legislation are to protect 'intellectual property' (research, writings, music, productions, etc.). What no one seems to want to ask, detractors of the legislation included, is whether 'intellectual property' is something that actually needs to be protected, or, indeed, something that even exists at all. Or say someone took my picture...and I, being a movie star, commanded a sum for the privilege of looking at me. Can they take my picture in public, as the paparazzi do? and if so, how is You Tube or facebook any different than a public place?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2980 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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One word: Avatar
Illegally downloaded upwards of 5 million times, something like 5-13million. Also, made an obscene amount of money. Piracy doesn't hurt the "art" industry because the art industry is Miramax, Dreamworks, Sony Music, etc. Giant corporate entities that are rarely ever hurt. SOPA and PIPA are bullshit. - Oni
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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Just like when you could 'tape to tape' when cassettes came out (in the before times).
'Oh noes! The music industry will die'. Never happened.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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100% agreement. As I said on Facebook, the essential argument against SOPA/PIPA is that we need a free Internet more than we need copy protection for "Chipwrecked."
I'm genuinely pissed that the impetus behind these efforts to restrain speech isn't politics or ideology, it's entertainment. For some reason, we place Hollywood's money ahead of speech in a way we never would for the "security of the state" or the feelings of the religious. But it seems like our voices were heard. As many as 25 Senators reversed their positions on PIPA Wednesday. People were literally shitting themselves because they couldn't access Wikipedia (and then shat themselves again because they realized they couldn't look up what to do when you shit yourself.) It was like an entire nation woke up after having one of those strokes that makes you forget the names of your kids and what street you live on.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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I see the proposed SOPA and PIPA legislation as welfare for failing industries. They are failing, because they have not adapted to modern digital technology.
Whatever happened to that "conservative" ideal of a free marketplace? I don't have a problem with the concept of intellectual property. But the purpose of IP law should be to encourage creativity, not to reward and protect failing business models.Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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You can get that on a T-shirt. Mutate and Survive
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
If it became legal to copy and distribute, say a movie, why would Hollywood make any?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1053 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
As I understand it, most films don't make a profit anyway. People continue to make films because people like to produce art. With less of a profit incentive, of course, we may see less big budget Hollywood style films, since it will be harder to get investment from people only seeing it as a money making vehicle.
There would still be incentive to produce special effects bonanzas along the lines of Transformers, or superhero films, for merchandising reasons. They might look even more like expensive toy adverts than they already do, however.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3741 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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If you added up all the income of all the X-Factor winners, would it exceed the income of Simon Cowell....?
But at least X-Factor has contributed to the anti-piracy movement by making music that isn't worth pirating. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi crashfrog
The worst part is that this is big industry trying to protect there greedy profits, rather than actual artists and inventors getting royalties. If you have ever been the creator of "intellectual property" you will know that it is usually business that profits more than the creator (you often sign a release of your share of such items when you are hired, so the company owns them not you). Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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