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Author Topic:   Ten Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries
jar
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Message 31 of 45 (222589)
07-08-2005 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by lfen
07-08-2005 2:48 AM


Re: The list is a greater threat than the terrorists.
Yes, there have been many such cases, but I would contend that a society or movement that limits access to books has lost all morality and legitimacy.

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Message 32 of 45 (222590)
07-08-2005 1:11 PM
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07-08-2005 1:06 PM


Re: The list is a greater threat than the terrorists.
Indeed, regimes ban books because, ultimately, their policies and ideologies can't withstand scrutiny. I would say that if a society that cannot withstand scrutiny then it must be based on some falsehood or irrational ideology, in which case scrutiny and rational debate is all the more necessary.

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sidelined
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Message 33 of 45 (222592)
07-08-2005 1:28 PM
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07-07-2005 12:11 PM


Re: The list is a greater threat than the terrorists.
Phatboy
All that I am saying is that it is not up to the state to "inform" my kids that they may be gay and that it is not a worry. The state does not know my child and I do.
Just a quick question here.What would be your response to your child coming home one day and informing you that they are gay? Would you support them unconditionally or would you worry about what your neighbour or society thinks? Would you be willing to defend them against others who are biased against homosexuality?
The response you give is a direct measure of how much your child's emotions and well being are compared to your own.

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Message 34 of 45 (222593)
07-08-2005 1:29 PM
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07-08-2005 1:28 PM


subtopic titles
In what way, Sidelined, is your post related to it's title?

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sidelined
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Message 35 of 45 (222771)
07-09-2005 2:44 AM
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07-08-2005 1:29 PM


Re: subtopic titles
AdminNosy
I am trying to sort the nature of what constitutes a child's right to knowledge available in books that the so-called state may or may not provide for his children to read. I ask this question in order to understand the objection that he is presuming the "state" imposes upon his children.
It is Phatboys' contention that the reading of material that is available is somehow detrimental to his childs' development and I am,perhaps wrongly,sensing that he thinks this influences the child as to his sexual orientation.
So the question I ask is to establish,first,that Phatboy is not anti-gay as he claims{most especially with his children} and second to establish the harm such books carry in his viewpoint.This would,I believe,lead back to the opening post as the issue seems to be the
validity of the harm a book can or cannot inflict upon the reading public.
I was going to go farther in depth however this would not allow me to debate the issue with Phatboy.I hope this is a satisfactory answer to your question oh admin of the west coast of Lotusland.
I hope the berries of the valley are doing good this year.Next summer I am coming out to visit kin and friends for the first time in neartly a decade.Perhaps I will get a chance to buy you a cold one down at Granville Island.

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Message 36 of 45 (222813)
07-09-2005 12:07 PM
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07-09-2005 2:44 AM


Re: subtopic titles
That's Ned's point: you are having a conversation about what is appropriate for children to read while the subtitle of your posts reads "Re: The list is a greater threat than the terrorists."

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sidelined
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Message 37 of 45 (222882)
07-09-2005 9:22 PM
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07-09-2005 12:07 PM


Re: subtopic titles
Quite right Chiroptera.It is time to retire from this discussion.Many thanks
This message has been edited by sidelined, Sat, 2005-07-09 11:49 PM

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Max
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Message 38 of 45 (222913)
07-10-2005 4:03 AM
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07-07-2005 11:33 AM


I have read huge portions of Mein Kempf...and the reason why its so dangerous is that Hilter pretty much says publically who is to blame for everything (the jews) and what he plans to do about it.
Had more people read the book back then, someone might have said, "hey, this guy is nuts."

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Chiroptera
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Message 39 of 45 (222982)
07-10-2005 4:51 PM
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07-10-2005 4:03 AM


It doesn't sound as if the book itself is dangerous. At a railroad crossing, it's not the bell and flashing lights that are dangerous.

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Message 40 of 45 (223052)
07-11-2005 12:04 AM
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07-10-2005 4:03 AM


I've never read Mein Kampf, but if it was a book people were practically required to own, wouldn't many of them read it? I think that quite a few did read it and did disagree with much of what Hitler said, but their voice was not heard because the Nazi government would kill anyone who came forward with their dissent.

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gnojek
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Message 41 of 45 (223165)
07-11-2005 3:03 PM
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07-07-2005 5:58 PM


[Marx] could not have predicted 21st Century America: a free, affluent society based on capitalism and representative government that people the world over envy and seek to emulate.
FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt.
This list was put up on another board.
The thing I pointed out was in one breath they say that the US is affluent and the envy of the world and in another they make it sound like it's bankrupt.

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Message 42 of 45 (223167)
07-11-2005 3:06 PM
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07-11-2005 3:03 PM


Man, I wish I said that!

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MangyTiger
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Message 43 of 45 (223273)
07-11-2005 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by mick
07-07-2005 12:00 PM


1. Bible (extremely dangerous book)
2. Koran (extremely dangerous book)
3. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury (full of dangerous ideas)
4. Complete Shakespeare (very heavy with pointy edges)
5. Any book by George Eliot (95% probability of death by boredom before reaching the end)
I grew up in Eliot country so we pretty much had to read them at school - everyone I have ever talked to about this all say they are the most boring books they have ever read.

Oops! Wrong Planet

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Message 44 of 45 (223363)
07-12-2005 10:51 AM
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07-11-2005 9:46 PM


George Eliot
5. Any book by George Eliot (95% probability of death by boredom before reaching the end)
It's pretty tedious, all right, although I find that character in "Middlemarch" who spent his life gathering evidence for "the key to all mythologies" rather interesting. Finds out at the end of his life his whole career had been for nought. There was no "key." Poor bastard.

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Chiroptera
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Message 45 of 45 (223405)
07-12-2005 12:32 PM
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07-12-2005 10:51 AM


Re: George Eliot
I read The Mill on the Floss. I don't think that it is as bad as people are making out, but I agree that if that novel is typical of George Eliot's works then I don't why she is considered such a big deal.

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