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Author Topic:   Another anti-evolution bill, Missouri 2012
Blue Jay
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Message 221 of 283 (650633)
02-01-2012 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Artemis Entreri
02-01-2012 12:15 PM


Re: general reply to the bombsquad
Hi, Artemis.
I haven't been part of a bombsquad for a while, so here's my 2 cents:
Artemis Entreri writes:
Taq writes:
Only papers with original findings can be published in peer reviewed journals.
ORLY?
Here is one: Gene expression analysis of the ovary of hybrid females of Xenopus laevis and X. muelleri - PMC
Takes previous work and builds on it.
Is it your position that all discoveries that build on previous discoveries count as "doing what has already been done"? So, for example, once we've sequenced the genome of one species, sequencing the genomes of other species would just be redundant? After all, who needs a wasp genome when we've already got a fly genome?
Is this really comparable, in your mind, to giving relatively untrained school teachers the prerogative to scrutinize what has already been scrutinized by multiple generations of better-trained scientists?
I was recently an adjunct instructor of an introductory biology course, which involved teaching lectures about evolution, paleontology, genetics, ecology, taxonomy, geography, climatology and basic logic. However, my professional credentials only really make me an expert in ecology. So, how do I teach those other topics objectively? Should I teach what professional geneticists have put forward based on decades of genetics research? Or should I assume that the two genetics courses I took and a generous helping of ad hoc armchair reasoning give me the prerogative to reject all that and consider teaching something else?
The biggest part of objectivity is recognizing your own limitations. Even double-duty teacher/researchers are actual experts in a much narrower field of study than the subject matter they are required to teach as part of their job. Therefore, objectivity requires teachers to acknowledge that they are generally not in a position to make the sorts of decisions that Intelligent Designists want to empower them to make with this new slurry of bills.
[/2 cents]

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 243 of 283 (650797)
02-02-2012 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Artemis Entreri
02-02-2012 4:43 PM


Re: general reply to the bombsquad
Hi, Artemis.
Artemis Entreri writes:
I am not your typical EvC poster who is a HUGE fan of argumentum ad verecundiam. That we should listen to the better studied, better trained amongst us. I am more into making up my own mind on a subject with the data that I can find.
I don't want to discourage you from making up your own mind. By all means, make up your own mind. But, teaching other people is a bigger responsibility than making up one's own mind: it should be done with more objectivity and detachment and with less hubris and navel-gazing.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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