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Author Topic:   Well this is awkward... Used to be a YEC
xongsmith
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Message 51 of 358 (645279)
12-24-2011 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by agent_509
12-24-2011 8:35 PM


Re: Welcome back!
agent_509 writes:
I'm well aware that there are other Christianities out there, and I've looked at many different ones, as well as different other religions, but none stand up.
While I am agreeing with you in general, this could turn into a nice off-topic thread elsewhere in EvC. What are those Christianities that even make the best effort at standing up to the reality? Hmmm.......food for thought. Not my cup of tea, per se, but maybe something for others here.
continuing:
not the reason I became an atheist
where would you place yourself on the dreaded Dawkins Scale now? (See my sig)
  1. Absolute Theist: knows god/s exist. (logically invalid position)
  2. Strong Theist: the existence of god/s is more likely than not. (logically invalid position)
  3. Weak Theist: the existence of god/s is possible, maybe likely, but not sure. (logically valid position)
  4. Agnostic: god/s may exist or they may not, there is insufficient evidence to know one way or the other. (logically valid position)
  5. Weak Atheist: the non-existence of gods is possible, maybe likely, but not sure. (logically valid position)
  6. Strong Atheist: the non-existence of god/s is more likely than not. (logically invalid position)
  7. Absolute Atheist: knows that god/s do not exist. (logically invalid position)
Welcome back!

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 229 of 358 (646965)
01-07-2012 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Straggler
01-03-2012 4:29 AM


Re: Why Questions How Questions
Cue scene of an obnoxiously snarky kid endlessly asking "Why?"...
straggler writes:
So a question like: Why are plants green? - Is a perfectly legitimate scientific question.
Why? ...endlessly.......
How are plants green? doesn't make nearly as much sense as a question does it?
No, it wouldn't make a similar level of sense! However, TO ME, the phrase that makes the far less sense is the Why one, not the How one. In fact, in my opinion - How blows the Why form out of the water. The "How are plants green?" choice in english to pursue this inquiry in science is VASTLY SUPERIOR than "Why are plants green." It immediately directs the investigators to the right things to describe & explain & support with objective scientific evidence. No one pursuing the How question would ever suggest it would be answered with the likes of "because God wanted them to be green."
I might modestly suggest that the word "why" be shunned from scientific literature in a similar manner to the way the word "faith" would be. It wont happen, but to continue to leave it in leaves lots of room for misunderstanding. Exhibit A: our friend Dawn Bertot.
This may be a major contribution to the difficulty of people brought up in some kind of religion to understand evolution and TOE.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 230 of 358 (646969)
01-07-2012 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by bluegenes
01-06-2012 10:56 PM


Re: Will these claims ever be defended?
Bluegenes asks Zen Deist:
Why are you now making up rules about English usage? Why not just admit that you are wrong, and that science can and does ask why questions?
Let's advance away from the stupid word "why". The scientific community wishes to minimize ambiguity when it can, no? The word "why" should be shunned.
Experiment: Is the word "why" ambiguous when seen around the world?
Hypothesis from the UK and the USA in places: Not at all.
Evidence: It is ambiguous to some.
Measure again: Lots.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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