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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1562 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
There is no violation of the first law of thermodynamics if the universe is not a closed system. If the universe came from something else (if, for instance, it started as a region of spacetime pinching off from a black hole in another spacetime, as proposed by Smolin 1997) then there still would be no conflict with the first law of thermodynamics, because on such a scenario the universe was not always a closed system, and would have inherited its initial energy from whatever it came from. With that scope of view, the whole universe may not be a closed system. But for short-sighted geologist, the earth IS a closed system.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 988 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
A closed system if you ignore the sun. It’s too hot here this month to ignore it.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1562 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
A closed system if you ignore the sun. It’s too hot here this month to ignore it. Yeah. It is quite interesting to see that both Mars and Venus lost their water, but the earth is gaining more and more water in the history.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 988 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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I beg your pardon? How much water has the Earth gained in the last 100,000,000 years?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 1090 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Juvenism writes: But for short-sighted geologist, the earth IS a closed system. What "short-sighted" geologist are you referring to? I don't know of any geologist who claims the "earth is a closed system." Should know, known plenty in my time (BS, Geological Engineering, 82, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology). Obviously the Earth is not a "closed" system. In addition to the solar power of the sun as Coragyps pointed out, you have nuclear decay, hence nuclear power, and, because of gravity itself, you have geothermal power. I don't know what you are referring to when you say "short-sighted geologist" but is obviously does not refer to anyone with a bachelor's in any earth-related science at NMT as Physics 121 is a requirement for graduation. Experiences at other colleges may vary, perhaps you are referring to graduates of Liberty "university."The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Yes, of course you have no response except to clutch your pearls and complain about the attack of the vapors my words caused you. Typical hypocritical creationist.
Did you at least finally learn something about logic? Or did you ignore that lesson in order to maintain your ignorance? Willfully maintaining ignorance is a clear example of idiocy. Therefore, the label of "ignorant idiot" does apply to you.
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ICANT Member (Idle past 281 days) Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi FLRW,
FLRW writes: There is no violation of the first law of thermodynamics if the universe is not a closed system. Are you saying the Standard Theory is wrong? I will use your word "if".If the universe began as a small pin point and expanded in every direction from that pin point the universe would be circular with no thing outside. FLRW writes: If the universe came from something else (if, for instance, it started as a region of spacetime pinching off from a black hole in another spacetime, as proposed by Smolin 1997) then there still would be no conflict with the first law of thermodynamics, If you have a hypothesis about how this black hole could exist and about another spacetime, I would love to hear it.
FLRW writes: because on such a scenario the universe was not always a closed system, and would have inherited its initial energy from whatever it came from. Do you know of such a hypothesis?
FLRW writes: and would have inherited its initial energy from whatever it came from. And where whatever that was got its initial energy from???? The first law says you can not create or destroy energy. You can change its form and every time you do part of that energy becomes unusable. That is the second law. According to those laws the only way the universe can exist is that a very powerful, all knowing, endless source of power, is in control. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1562 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
I beg your pardon? How much water has the Earth gained in the last 100,000,000 years? Good question. It could be a thesis for a master degree geology student. That means, it is a workable problem. We can model the annual budget of water on the earth and find it out. The earth has way passed its peak dewatering stage. But the new (cognate) water is still continuously coming up to the surface through volcanic activity. The key problem is: we may not see all the water generated just by measuring how much water shows up. A lot of water are generated in the mantle but temporary stay and accumulated in there.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1562 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
What "short-sighted" geologist are you referring to? I don't know of any geologist who claims the "earth is a closed system." Sorry, the term may mislead. A closed earth IS a working background for most geological researches, even we do know the earth is not really a closed system.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3971 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
A FYI type message.
Rare Meteorites Show How The Earth Got Its Life-Giving Water : NPR Starts with:
quote: Ends with:
quote: More to read, in between the above quoted. Moose
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PaulK Member Posts: 17918 Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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Yes, I think it’s pretty clear that for all his pretensions of expertise Juvenissum really didn’t understand what he was talking about.
What I think he misunderstood is this. Granite is formed when magma slowly cools. If that magma is hydrated, the water is released. That’s the reaction he was describing. If the magma is not hydrated granite can still form, but you won’t get an6 water out of it.
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jar Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Unless you strike it twice with your rod! But when you are told to just speak to the rock and instead you strike it twice with your rod you will get water but not get to the promised land.
Exodus 17:6 vs Numbers 20:8-11 The Devil is in the details.
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