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ringo Member Posts: 19760 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Undoubtedly. But standards remain the same. You still won't get into medical school or law school or engineering school with a diploma from Joe's Creationist Skool. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dad Member (Idle past 656 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Not when Joe's creation school was closed down because they refused to teach your religion as science, or were closed down for teaching Adam and Eve rather than Adam and Steve etc.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Numerous posts are drifting off-topic. This is a science forum and the methodology will be respected.
Any subsequent off topic rants regarding science as religion, or religion being scientific, without reasoned evidence and argumentation supporting them and being on topic will elicit one day suspensions. We simply must nip this lack of discipline in the bud.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
WARNING TO Dad: The topic started to diverge from the science with your post here: Message 307. Any further efforts to drag this topic away from the science forum format will be aggressively met with suspensions. --AdminPhat Edited by AdminPhat, : highlighting warning to dad
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ringo Member Posts: 19760 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
If you can back that up, start a different topic. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dad Member (Idle past 656 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
OK. So when we ask for proof of the nature you claim existed and that you claim is science, that is off topic.
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dad Member (Idle past 656 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
OK. So when we ask for proof of the nature you claim existed and that you claim is science, that is off topic.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 6835 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 3.5
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What is off topic is your unevidenced insistence that some "other nature" exists.
Produceing some real scientific evidence of your position would be on topic. You got any? Factio Republicana delenda est. ![]()
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Yes. The onus is on you to provide proof for your counter-assertion.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 627 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Where did the water go is a very simple question: It went to the ocean. There is no other place to go. The current vast amount of ocean water IS An IRREFUTABLE evidence.
Where did the water come from: This is a more complicate question. One important source is from the moisture in the atmosphere. Another one is from the earth's interior. Both sources are not likely to provide enough water for the global flood in today's environment of the earth. The ancient earth must be very different and this is a common understanding in the field of earth's sciences. One thing for us to consider: Where did the dominant amount of CO2 go in the early atmosphere of the earth? When did it disappear into ppm scale? Suddenly or gradually? Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 54 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
The early CO2 on earth partly got converted to carbohydrates in all the plant like on earth. A bunch more was captured to form limestone and dolomite, which make up a great deal of all the sedimentary rock in the crust.
Gradually by either method. Millions to billions of years. Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 627 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
If so, why doesn't similar process happen on Mars and Venus?
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Pollux Member Posts: 277 Joined: |
CO2 has varied a lot through Earth's history. It was 1800ppm in the Cretaceous causing high sea levels and warm polar regions.
India colliding with Asia built mountains which eroded, absorbing CO2 and gradually dropping the level over millions of years, cooling the Earth. This incidentally changed the vegetation of east Africa to grassland and facilitated the evolution of a bipedal naked ape that we all know and love. Very low levels hundreds of millions of years ago led to a snowball Earth effect.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3884 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined:
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Were the ocean basins not already full during "the flood"? Moose
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5198 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Yes, exactly.
Actually, yes, exactly that. But we must keep in mind that not all water is created equal. Water does cycle through all three states of matter, after all, so the water that piled up so deeply on land was water in its solid state. Here is basically how it works. There's the basic water cycle:
There are situations in which more and more solid water fails to melt, fails to experience a thaw. Those situations are called ice ages. In an ice age, snow just keeps piling up on the land as the water cycle keeps emptying the seas causing the sea level to drop -- there's your "Empty the oceans and pile the water on the land". And as the snow keeps piling up, it compresses and forms glaciers and large ice caps and so on. Then at the end of an ice age, that ice starts to thaw and melt and flow back into the seas -- there's your "then drain back into oceans". As a result, the sea level starts to rise again, which is exactly what we are experiencing now. It's really that simple and that obvious. The last ice age, the Wisconsian, ended about 13,000 years ago. When that happened, sea level was about 200 feet lower, from one source I read. That was when there were a number of land bridges such as across the Bering Strait and in the western and eastern parts of the islands of Indonesia and Papua/New Guinea. The latter explains Wallace's Line, in which separate islands on either side of the line have very similar land animals, yet the land animals on the west side of the line are quite different from the ones on the east side -- there's an ocean trench along the line that kept those two land bridges separate and prevented land animals from crossing that water barrier. It should also be noted that the Persian Gulf is about 150 feet deep at its deepest, so during the ice age it was dry land. And since humans have a strong tendency to concentrate large populations on coast lines, it makes complete sense that they would have noticed it when the sea level rose and flooded out where they used to live. And that an oral tradition about that devastating situation would have developed and be passed down. There were also some more sudden flooding events such as the Channeled Scablands in the American Northwest which were created by episodes of the sudden release of a large lake of glacial meltwater when its ice dam broke. There's also evidence that something similar happened at the Black Sea. So then the actual world-wide flood is the rising of the sea level after the last ice age. And it is still happening as climate change is causing the ice caps to melt at an alarming rate. That actual world-wide flood is actually happening. The one imagined by YECs didn't. Edited by dwise1, : Added Wikipedia link for the water cycle
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