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Tangle
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Message 291 of 302 (883459)
12-09-2020 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by ICANT
12-08-2020 10:59 PM


Re: Speculation within the limits of a science mind
ICANT writes:
Religious books are the only books that tell us how the universe began to exist, how life began to exist, and the purpose for us existing.
Just a bit tricky to work out which God and which book. I randomly picked this one to believe in from the letter H in the 138 pages of Wiki's creator gods.
Huracan (/hr’k’n, hr’kn/; Spanish: Huracn; Mayan languages: Hunraqan, "one legged"), often referred to as U Kux Kaj, the "Heart of Sky",[2] is a Kiche Maya god of wind, storm, fire and one of the creator deities who participated in all three attempts at creating humanity.[3]
He also caused the Great Flood after the second generation of humans angered the gods. He supposedly lived in the windy mists above the floodwaters and repeatedly invoked "earth" until land came up from the seas.
His name, understood as 'One-Leg', suggests god K of Postclassic and Classic Maya iconography, a deity of lightning with one human leg,[4] and one leg shaped like a serpent. God K is commonly referred to as Bolon Tzacab and Kawiil or Kauil. The name may ultimately derive from huracan, a Carib word,[5] and the source of the words hurricane and orcan (European windstorm).
Related deities are Tohil in Kiche mythology, Bolon Tzacab in Yucatec mythology, Cocijo in Zapotec mythology, and Tezcatlipoca in Aztec mythology.
Category:Creator gods - Wikipedia

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Message 293 of 302 (883461)
12-09-2020 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by Phat
12-09-2020 3:33 AM


Re: Speculation within the limits of a science mind
Phat writes:
Odd why you would pick one so culturally distant from your upbringing! Here lemme see that link!
I did say it was random.
It wouldn't have been random for those born into the culture that held the belief though. They believed it because that's what they were taught. Exactly like you.
This one appears far less mythological and more plausible than many of the rest.
Only to you Phat, to the Myan your Jesus would be a false god.
Billions of people currently believe in Shiva as the creation god, just as much as you believe in yours and just as much by chance of birth.
Shiva (/iv’/; Sanskrit: [], IAST: iva, ISO: iva, About this soundlisten (helpinfo), lit. 'the auspicious one'), also known as Mahadeva (lit. 'the great god'),[9][10][11] is one of the principal deities of Hinduism. He is the supreme being within Shaivism, one of the major traditions within contemporary Hinduism.[12][13]
Shiva is known as "The Destroyer" within the Trimurti, the Hindu trinity that includes Brahma and Vishnu.[1][14] In Shaivism tradition, Shiva is one of the supreme beings who creates, protects and transforms the universe.[9][10][11] In the Shaktism tradition, the Goddess, or Devi, is described as one of the supreme, yet Shiva is revered along with Vishnu and Brahma. A goddess is stated to be the energy and creative power (Shakti) of each, with Parvati (Sati) the equal complementary partner of Shiva.[15][16] He is one of the five equivalent deities in Panchayatana puja of the Smarta tradition of Hinduism.[12]

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 300 of 302 (883472)
12-09-2020 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Phat
12-09-2020 4:26 AM


Re: Speculation within the limits of a science mind
Phat writes:
I understand your relativistic outlook on beliefs.
Obviously you don't, it's not relative, it's just a fact that humans believe in thousands of different gods. And each thinks he's got the right one. But getting the right one only depends on chance.
Let me ask you this. If there is a GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen, what makes you think He(She,It) is relative to the individual...sort of like a cosmic chameleon?
That's not what I think. What I think is the simply and easily demonstrable fact that people believe the god they're taught about in their cultures.
Is it so implausible to believe that of all the Gods in the catalogue, one is likely to actually exist? Or would you, like jar, say that there is no way that we humans could find out?
That silly, the only conclusion you can draw from people believing in thousands of invisible beings that are all different is that they're all equally deluded.

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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