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Big_Al35
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Message 181 of 286 (656810)
03-22-2012 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by crashfrog
03-22-2012 8:13 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
crashfrog writes:
So, no. Old people don't start to regenerate teeth.
Additional Evidence
There are 100s of links that I could give but hopefully this will be my last.

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Big_Al35
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Message 182 of 286 (656811)
03-22-2012 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by crashfrog
03-22-2012 8:13 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
crashfrog writes:
So, no. Old people don't start to regenerate teeth.
Yet more evidence.
Ok, I really didn't want to provide link after link. But this example is more stark and more clear for those who are less educated.

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Big_Al35
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Message 183 of 286 (656814)
03-22-2012 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by crashfrog
03-22-2012 8:13 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
crashfrog writes:
So, no. Old people don't start to regenerate teeth.
And again!
For those who are still sceptical, here's another link. Make of these what you will.

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Percy
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Message 184 of 286 (656815)
03-22-2012 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 10:03 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Hi Al,
Is the ability for the elderly to regenerate teeth important to any point you're trying to make that is relevant to the topic? I'm asking because I don't think our ability to relieve your misunderstanding exceeds your determination to misinterpret what you read as supporting what you think, so maybe this teeth diversion can be shelved.
--Percy

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Big_Al35
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Message 185 of 286 (656824)
03-22-2012 10:49 AM
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03-22-2012 10:16 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Percy writes:
Is the ability for the elderly to regenerate teeth important to any point you're trying to make
I thought that the reverse was true. Crashfrog feels that the inability of the elderly to regenerate teeth is important to his cause.
Maybe crashfrog could clarify what his cause is? If however, he is willing to accept that, infact, the elderly can regenerate teeth I am happy to have the debate move on to where ever it might take us.

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Theodoric
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Message 186 of 286 (656829)
03-22-2012 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 8:10 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Are you freaking serious?
Time for Inigo again.
From your "source"
quote:
I didn't quite catch the name of the woman or the village she lives in - but it should surely be up in the news by tomorrow
Guess it never made the news as there is nothing else out there.
As the oldest person ever only lived to 122 there are lots problems with this "source".
You can find support for just about any argument on the internet. The key is to verify and find support for those sources.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Taq
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Message 187 of 286 (656831)
03-22-2012 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 9:58 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Additional Evidence
There are 100s of links that I could give but hopefully this will be my last.
If we linked to examples of old people not regrowing teeth would you accept it? Yes, there are rare cases where people grow a new set of teeth. Again, this is a VERY rare trait.
On top of that, this doesn't explain the other differences in morphology such as jaw size, cranium size, eyebrow ridges, etc.

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Wounded King
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Message 188 of 286 (656833)
03-22-2012 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 10:03 AM


Is this the best 'evidence' you can find?
evidence
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means, certainly not in a scientific context.
What you have provided are at best unsupported anecdotes and in many cases the anecdotes don't even seem to support your claim.
TTFN,
WK
*ABE* Damn ninja'd by Theoderic on the Princess Bride reference. That'll teach me to follow up all the links in case some of them contain actual evidence.
Edited by Wounded King, : No reason given.

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Big_Al35
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Message 189 of 286 (656841)
03-22-2012 12:10 PM
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03-22-2012 11:16 AM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Theodoric writes:
As the oldest person ever only lived to 122
I don't think even you believe that! Lol.

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jar
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Message 190 of 286 (656847)
03-22-2012 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 12:10 PM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
I imagine that you have evidence of someone that lived to be at least 123?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Theodoric
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Message 191 of 286 (656849)
03-22-2012 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 12:10 PM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Big_A writes:
Theodoric writes:
As the oldest person ever only lived to 122
I don't think even you believe that! Lol.
Why would I not believe this? I find this comment by you to be absolutely stunning that you feel i should believe something else. I have seen no EVIDENCE to believe anything else. Anecdotes are not evidence. If you have other evidence please provide it. Don't waste my time with internet stories. If there is other evidence I will certainly look at it and make a determination as to whether to evidence is compelling or not.
How old do you believe the oldest person has lived to?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Panda
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Message 192 of 286 (656854)
03-22-2012 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by jar
03-22-2012 12:46 PM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
jar writes:
I imagine that you have evidence of someone that lived to be at least 123?
My ex-girlfriend's father's neighbour once bought a car from a man who had heard about a girl who once worked in a shop owned by a lady who was 125!
And that was 10 years ago...
She'll be 135 by now!!
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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Big_Al35
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Message 193 of 286 (656865)
03-22-2012 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Theodoric
03-22-2012 2:13 PM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Theodoric writes:
Why would I not believe this?
Your link just reflects the oldest person according to the Guinness book of records. Sources show they have investigated individuals who have potentially been much older. Often people are denied entry simply due to inadequate paperwork. This can occur for many reasons and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with fraud.

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Theodoric
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Message 194 of 286 (656880)
03-22-2012 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 5:40 PM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
Not just Guinness.
Sources show they have investigated individuals who have potentially been much older. Often people are denied entry simply due to inadequate paperwork. This can occur for many reasons and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with fraud.
If it can't be verified it don't mean shit. Show me people you have evidence for that were older. You see the follow the scientific method and require evidence.
How old do you believe the oldest person has lived to?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Percy
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Message 195 of 286 (656926)
03-23-2012 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Big_Al35
03-22-2012 10:49 AM


Getting Back On Topic
Hi Big Al,
Whether the elderly regenerate teeth or how long people can live was not your original point. You were trying to argue that as people age they undergo morphological change that causes them to resemble what anthropologists mistakenly interpret as evolutionary predecessors of humans.
--Percy

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