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Author Topic:   "If I descended from an ape, how come apes are still here?"
jar
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Message 107 of 286 (651432)
02-07-2012 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by amp1022
02-07-2012 12:31 PM


Evolution as a fact is a Christian position
Don't make the mistake of thinking that the discussion of Evolution versus Creationism is a choice between atheism and Christianity. Almost all major recognized Christian denominations acknowledge the fact that Evolution happened and that the ONLY explanation for the diversity we see today is the Theory of Evolution.

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Message 116 of 286 (651526)
02-07-2012 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by amp1022
02-07-2012 8:30 PM


Learn how to quote and how to read.
amp1022 writes:
Almost all major recognized Christian denominations acknowledge the fact that Evolution happened and that the ONLY explanation for the diversity we see today is the Theory of Evolution.
Really? Wow! I had no idea that creationists had waved the white flag. Well thanks for letting me know that THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION (as you put it) is a proven FACT... the theory is a fact. Got it. And even the worlds leading religions have given up on the idea of divine creation being the reason for the diversity of species? Incredible! Congratulations on your victory! Oh by the way if you could reference a few of those records showing that the theory of evolution has been accepted as strictly fact by our overwhelmingly christian nation, that would be nothing short of a miracle since there are no such records.
Actually what I said was that Evolution was a fact.
The Theory of Evolution is a model. The first clue is that it is called "The Theory of Evolution".
Creationist have not waved the white flag, they are just plain wrong. They will continue to be wrong.
And of course I can present evidence that Christians acknowledge that Evolution is a fact (note that I said Evolution) and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the diversity of life seen today.
You can begin with the Clergy Letter Project currently signed by over 12.000 US Christian Clergy where they say:
quote:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as one theory among others is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge.
In addition the US is not and has never been a Christian nation, thank God.
Edited by jar, : left out the word 'with'

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Message 119 of 286 (651531)
02-07-2012 10:43 PM


One the question raised in the OP ...
... "If I descended from an ape, how come apes are still here?"; it looks like the full genome from another relative primate of ours is being released.
The Denisovian genome sequence was released by the Max Planck Institute. The DNA comes from a relative of ours that lived about 30,000 years ago.

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Message 144 of 286 (652088)
02-12-2012 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Chuck77
02-12-2012 4:10 AM


Re: Story time...
You do understand that we are still primates, apes, don't you?
Do you understand what a "common ancestor" means?
Do you understand that saying we evolved from an earlier ape like primate is not mutually exclusive with saying that we have a common ancestor with all other living forms including even plants?

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Message 154 of 286 (655611)
03-11-2012 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Big_Al35
03-11-2012 5:52 PM


Using common sense.
If we use common sense to look at the family of primates we see the origin in trees, both the simians and prosimians that are known lived in trees, and there is no evidence of anything like a hominid until fairly recently, in the last three million years or so.

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Message 161 of 286 (656276)
03-17-2012 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Coyote
03-17-2012 12:00 PM


Re: You want changes?
Or maybe a Lemur or one of the other Prosimians?

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Message 190 of 286 (656847)
03-22-2012 12:46 PM
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03-22-2012 12:10 PM


Re: on shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features
I imagine that you have evidence of someone that lived to be at least 123?

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jar
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Message 216 of 286 (657010)
03-24-2012 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Big_Al35
03-24-2012 2:54 PM


Re: Getting Back On Topic
It appears anyone can just dig up any old set of bones and within limits claim that it is homo erectus.
No, that only happens in the Christian Cult of Ignorance {Unenlightenment} {Unintelligence} {Unknowledgable}.
In science they must supply evidence to support their position.
But again, what does any of your rabbit hole bullshit have to do with the topic?

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