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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 8.0 |
Boy, you really are a peice of work. You need research to see that vengeance(revenge) makes one feel better? Wait let me guess, you are of the ilk that subscribes to " the best revenge is to live the best life you can and achive the success you want and blah blah blah". Actually, I would like to see the research. Human psychology very rarely matches what "common sense" would have us believe. For example, "common knowledge" suggests that using violence on an inanimate object, or in a sport like boxing, is a "healthy" way of "venting." In reality, research has shown that using violence to "vent" frustration simply reinforces violence as an acceptable response to frustration, while just calming down (usually thought of as unhealthy "suppression") reduces stress, increases patience, etc. Our predictions of how we'll feel after taking a certain action very frequently do not match what we actually feel after the action is taken.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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In reality, research has shown that using violence to "vent" frustration simply reinforces violence as an acceptable response to frustration, while just calming down (usually thought of as unhealthy "suppression") reduces stress, increases patience, etc. Example: I personally had (in the past) a bad temper, mainly due to bad circumstance after bad circumstance. I would get pissed off and punch a hole in a wall or break something. Did it help? No, because I'd have a hole in the wall and broken shit after I calmed down. So, had I just calmed down, I'd not have the stress of repairing a wall or replacing a needlessly broken item."Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4171 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Example: I personally had (in the past) a bad temper, mainly due to bad circumstance after bad circumstance. I would get pissed off and punch a hole in a wall or break something. Did it help? No Me to. On revenge.... I have went through with taking revenge several times in my life (more than I care to admit to). It has never left me feeling good or satisfied in any way. The thought of getting satisfaction has always been better than getting it. Once the deed has been done I regret lowering myself to that level, and I fear the repercussions of my actions."No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten." Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Boy, you really are a peice of work. You need research to see that vengeance(revenge) makes one feel better? No, he's right to ask for it, since the conventional wisdom is that revenge just results in more violence. I've been trying to find the research that I read but it was a while ago and I haven't found it yet. I don't expect anybody to accept the claim just on my say-so. Nobody here should feel like they can simply expect people to accept their claims without evidence to support them.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
crashfrog writes: Nobody here should feel like they can simply expect people to accept their claims without evidence to support them. Evidence to support this? Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate ...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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You need research to see that vengeance(revenge) makes one feel better? Wait let me guess, you are of the ilk that subscribes to " the best revenge is to live the best life you can and achive the success you want and blah blah blah". Your arrogance is littered with almost every post you make. For someone who comes down on Christians all the time you sure do act like the HOLIEST one here. It's amazing you can actually live with yourself. So tell us Mr. live life to the fullest, you've never felt the need to get revenge before and experienced how good it would feel but decided not to go thru with it? Well, I'm sorry if I'm not vengeful enough for you. No-one's ever complained before.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4254 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
Nobody here should feel like they can simply expect people to accept their claims without evidence to support them. like a broken record around here. if you had any skillz at debating you would provide evidence to refute an unsupported claim, rather than using the evc cop-out and ask for supporting evidence. attacking a claim and the evidence is a weak-sauce argument, using by posters who can't really come up with anything on their own to refute something.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Depends what you're here to do. We're here to find out what is true. You're apparently here to find out who has the biggest dick. (Hint: not you.)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
if you had any skillz at debating you would provide evidence to refute an unsupported claim, rather than using the evc cop-out and ask for supporting evidence
It is not our responsibility to search for evidence to refute claims. It is the responsibility of the person presenting the claim to provide the evidence. If you had any skills at debating you would provide evidence to support a claim. Throwing out unsupported claims then demanding someone provide the evidence to refute it is a a lazy cop out.
attacking a claim and the evidence is a weak-sauce argument, using by posters who can't really come up with anything on their own to refute something. We are talking about when there is no evidence. In the words of Christopher Hitchens.
quote:Source You see how I did not just assert that this was an actual Hitchens quote? I actually provide the source so that you and everyone else can read it in context.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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like a broken record around here. if you had any skillz at debating you would provide evidence to refute an unsupported claim, rather than using the evc cop-out and ask for supporting evidence. attacking a claim and the evidence is a weak-sauce argument, using by posters who can't really come up with anything on their own to refute something. But if you could be bothered to read the thread, you would see that I wasn't arguing with crashfrog's claim and have not tried to refute it. I just wanted, as I still want, to see the research to which he was referring.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4254 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
you're apparently here to BE the biggest dick (which you are).
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4254 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
no your are just being lazy.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4254 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
i don't even know why you responded i got no beef with, you. you are one of the few (very few), people worth discussing anything on this site.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Let me get this straight.
Poster 1Posts assertions with no evidence. Therefore, excellent debater. Poster 2Asks for evidence for the assertion. Therefore, lazy. Sounds like Bizarro World to me. So in your crazy world it is incumbent upon people to show an unevidenced assertion is false before the asserter has to show any evidence at all for the assertion?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
you're apparently here to BE the biggest dick (which you are). I wish.
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