Why Creationists' Willful Ignorance?

What part is not understood - you didn't say?

Although all of your reply was nonsense, I thought I would focus on this particular nonsense:Here are some of the many definitions of seed:

1) A propagative part of a plant, as a tuber or spore.
2) A small amount of material used to start a chemical reaction.
3) A source or beginning.
4) Offspring; progeny.
5) Sperm; semen.
6) A sportsman who has been seeded for a tournament, often at a given rank.
7) A capsule used interstitially in the treatment of cancer.
8) To remove the seeds from fruit.
9) A tiny flaw in glassware.
The shock surprise in thinking that seed only has a single meaning is disgraceful.
Clearly it is open to 'multi-choices'.Only someone with a flimsy grasp of English would think that 'seed' only had one meaning.

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4) Offspring;

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Congratulations. However, the word offspring is recent, and such a usage would negate authenticityof the text's contemporary factor. But there was never any need to do a search here; the word seed is placed in such a context there is no alternative meaning in the verse, 'A SEED SHALL FOLLOW ITS OWN KIND'; this is especially seen when 'life forms' was the text's subject.

IamJospeh,You continue to ignore even the most obvious problems with your ranting.Problems that have been highlighted time and time again.I will pick one statement from you post even at the risk that conversing with you may give you some impression that your statements are in any way valid - take these two animals - Mosquito, and penguin.Where do they fit into your 'kinds'?What about about land crabs and Japanese spider crabs? Are they different kinds?What does airborne mean? Does it mean that butterflies, albatross, bats, flying fish and draco lizards are all the same kind?What about water borne? There are species of crabs that live their whole liives on land, but spawn in the water. What about leatherback turtles, they lay their eggs on land but spend their lives in the water? How about the fact that many insects spend the majority of the life in the water, only leaving it in their adult life. Are penguins waterborne? What about seabirds like the albatross who spend most of their time on the water? What about polar bears? They spend most of their times on sea ice. Does this mean they are sea borne? Waterborne? Is there an ice borne?I will add one other thing. Here are the common definitions of ignorant.1. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
2. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".The vast majority of creationists are ignorant to varying degrees of the Theory of Evolution. You can easy ascertain this from the claims the creationist websites and creationists themselves make. Simple errors like the 2nd law argument, the why are there still monkeys arguements and the plain old 'I dont need to read anything about Evolution because i know its wrong'.You continue to very effectively make yourself look like an idiot.Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.

Sorry, I'm going to have to discontinue our discussion.You are apparently immune to logic and reason, as well as fact and theory.[Smiley of beating head against brick wall.]

You KEEP coming back to this as though it were a convincing argument.You claim that the Bible is the first recording of this stuff because you claim that the Bible predates everything else.It DOESN'T.Cave painting CLEARLY demonstrate different animal groups and predate the Bible (and in fact the ENTIRE UNIVERSE according to your 6,000 yr calendar) but tens of thousands of years.You need to pick an argument which hasn't been so completely destroyed so many times.We're starting to think you might be mentally disabled in your ability to retain other people's arguments. It's almost like you don't understand that once you say something and it's shown to be wrong, it stays wrong no matter how many times you bring it up.

Hey Nuggin,I will supply the most likely response you will get from IamJoseph re the bible being the first recording comment.He will tell you that cave paintings are not a book. He will tell you that he means an alphabetical book. Then he will tell you that it has to be a book with pages. Then he will tell you they have to be paper pages.He will continue to more the goal posts until you give up in frustration.Then he will claim he has won. Won at what exactly no one will ever know.He will tell you that you have not countered his arguement (even if you have) and refuse to acknowledge any problems with his language and logic. He will ignore comments that his position is irrelevant, pointless, unrelated to the topic, has not been supported by any evidence, is not stated clear enough to know exactly what he is talking about or has not actually answered any comment or question that you put forward.Just a prediction.Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.

Creation "science" as usual, eh?

I concluded this about IamJoseph a long time ago. Therefore it's not worth trying to engage in a meaningful conversation with him.From Ed Brayton The 'mentally disabled in your ability to retain other people's arguments' also explains the willful ignorance of a large percentage of creationists very accurately. For them it is physically impossible to remember arguments countering their interpretations of their chosen holy book(s). They believe their holy book(s); no matter how obviously reality contradicts that book.How did Dawkins put it? Something about a brain virus.....Edited by Pressie, : Spelling and added a sentence

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Ok, I won't give you any more word salad:
1. Pls tell us the first recording of life form groupings by category?

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You KEEP coming back to this as though it were a convincing argument.

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You keep running away from it because it is a convincing arguement. The first recording of life form groupings is in Genesis - how far can you run?

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You claim that the Bible is the first recording of this stuff because you claim that the Bible predates everything else.

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I never said that. The Hebrew bible is a late comer in the ancient world. Abraham emerged some 1200 years after the pyramids were built; the Hebrew bible 400 years thereafter.

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Cave painting CLEARLY demonstrate different animal groups and predate the Bible

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That's bunk and bogus, based on the age of the cave - not the painting. Colour was not invented in writings till 5,500 years ago, and it came from India. Check the population and mental prowess grads of your cave painters again. If Australian aboriginals are 60K years old, their popilation would be at least 5 trillion. Bite the bullet - your dates have no proof nor any graduating imprints; the Hebrew bible has, wth no vacuous gaps.

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(and in fact the ENTIRE UNIVERSE according to your 6,000 yr calendar) but tens of thousands of years.

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That is not a Hebrew understanding but an embarrassing Christian one. Genesis lists a host of actions before life emerged, accounting for billions and millions of years: separation of light and darkness; water from land; etc. Darwin forgot to list these critical factors. As if!

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You need to pick an argument which hasn't been so completely destroyed so many times.

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There has not been even a small dent of disproof of anything in the Hebrew bible. You are halucinating with other anti-creationsists. I am making you froth.

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We're starting to think you might be mentally disabled in your ability to retain other people's arguments. It's almost like you don't understand that once you say something and it's shown to be wrong, it stays wrong no matter how many times you bring it up.

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You have not been right in any responsa as yet.

Except it's not. The book of Genesis doesn't even come CLOSE. The caves in France alone are easily 5x older than the oldest possible copy of Genesis. Most likely far older even than that. Heiroglyphics are another fine example of writing about life forms prior to Genesis then. You just admitted the pyramids were older. The pyramids contain these images. Done. False. The caves outdate the paintings often by hundreds of thousands if not millions of years. Caves take a LONG time to form. No one dates the paintings by the age of the cave - ever. Perhaps one of the stupidest things you've ever suggested, and that's saying a lot. Only to be outdone by this gem. WTF are you talking about?!?!Don't use words if you don't know what they mean, it makes you sound stupid or crazy. Wow, you are on a roll and it's all down hill.Taco Word Salad Supreme. You need to look up "froth". It's not the same thing as "laugh".Seriously Joseph, you need to seek medical help. You are quite possibly schitzophrenic. You are certainly suffering from some sort of brain damage, likely brought on by a series of strokes.Your ability to reason and communicate has be severely compromised.Seek help.

The "kinds" thing is pretty thin on details. Are you sure someone, say the Chinese, didn't earlier come up with at least as good of a life form groupings? Trillion? Billion would be absurd. You think the Australian continent could ever support a billion people, much less 5 trillion? Genesis also had plant life before the creation of the sun. Not only thin on the details, but flat out wrong.Moose

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take these two animals - Mosquito, and penguin.

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Where do they fit into your 'kinds'? What about about land crabs and Japanese spider crabs? Are they different kinds?

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What does airborne mean? Does it mean that butterflies, albatross, bats, flying fish and draco lizards are all the same kind?

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Absolutely, and with the correct wording, listing groups within groups; including creepy crawlies and virus and bacteria:Genesis 1/20. ' the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures [the twice repeated refers to nono life unseen with the naked eye]; , and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed [crabs], after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind. 24 'Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creeping thing [insects], and beast of the earth after its kind.'Air borne refers to winged fowl.

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Here are the common definitions of ignorant.

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1. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
2. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".

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The vast majority of creationists are ignorant to varying degrees of the Theory of Evolution.

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How would you rate yourself based on the responses to what are clearly ignorance of what you accuse of: check mate to Mosquito and penguin?

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The first recording of life form groupings is in Genesis...

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The "kinds" thing is pretty thin on details.

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Not so. It is brimming with details. How else would you put it, suitable for all generations' understanding - have a go?

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Genesis also had plant life before the creation of the sun. Not only thin on the details, but flat out wrong.

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Moose

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Incorrect. Only luminosity was focused on the earth; the stars and sun and moon are not mentioned:14/'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.'

Your out done. You cannot admit absolute hard copy proof of the first recording of life form groups, while you leap elsewhere with similar nonsense. The French 30K year claims have been blasted as a forgery. It has red color - a dead giveaway since even te Egyptians never had red dye 5000 years ago - the colors which were on the pyramids were got it from India.