New York Gay Marriage

I think the thing is that we have people caught by the attractions of two moralities. On the one hand we have the Bible saying to kill all the abominable gaymen; on the other hand we have the more modern proposition that it is wrong to hate or hurt someone for a quality which is innate and unchosen (skin color being the classic example).It is possible to avoid conflict between these two ideas so long as being gay is a choice. If it isn't, they'd have to take sides --- the Holy Ghost or the Zeitgeist.---I disagree that they're all closet homosexuals. Think of the statistics. Nearly every conservative Christian will come out with that dogma about homosexuality being a choice. Now if this dogma is the mark of a closet case, how did it come about that ~95% of conservative Christians are gay and only ~5% of liberals ... ?

Actually, you are not the one guy who is sticking up for gay rights. Lots of people are doing that. You are the one guy saying stuff like this, which Jaderis has called you on: I cannot speak for Jaderis, but to speak for myself I wonder if it has crossed your mind that perhaps your telepathic link with bisexuals is less than perfect?

No, that is not what I was claiming. You can kinda tell that by the way I didn't claim it.Of course, some bisexuals do not in fact have sex with women: for example, those who are teenagers and have not yet got lucky. But that was not of course my point.

You know how I said: "But that was not of course my point"? Golly, you do know how to miss a point, don't you?Would you like to switch to the creationist side? You might be more comfortable there, and your style of reasoning (and I use the term "reasoning" loosely) would be much more acceptable to your new friends.

Your analogy of religion is an excellent one. Let's run with it. Let's suppose that you said: "Whatever Protestants say, in their hearts they acknowledge the supremacy of the Pope. Christians should stop splitting their special interest, get behind a single cause and work as a team."The rock on which your suggestion founders is that some Christians are actually not Roman Catholics, and also bisexuals are really not homosexual. They are bisexual. Any program you have in mind is going to have to deal with that, even if it would be more convenient if this was not the case. Gay men can also be split into groups, that's why the hanky code exists. People like different things. If this is really an obstacle to social reform, then it is one that we must figure out a way to overcome. But I thought that the existence of diversity was the whole point. If we have to have unity before we can have tolerance of diversity, then can't we all agree that we're heterosexual? Then we could fight for a single clearly-defined cause. Then before you start hectoring bisexuals, you should deal with the larger problem, namely all the gay men who won't admit that they're lesbians.Remember, as a wise man said: "The more you split your special interest, the less interest anyone is going to pay to your group because no one thinks you're all that special."Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Pretending I don't exist isn't support. You didn't have anyone denying the existence of mixed-race people either. Maybe they weren't stark raving mad. OK, if I claim to exist I get nothing and I deserve it. What do I get if I claim not to exist? This had better involve either money, alcohol, or bacon. Actually, I ask them to fight for lesbian rights and hope none of those so-called "gay men" splinter the unity of the movement.Back in the world of non-sarcasm, I note that in arguing for gay rights on these forums, I have made 29 posts using the word "gay", 5 using the word "homosexual", and (apart from this thread) exactly one post using the word "bisexual", while describing the home life of Alexander the Great.But that's not enough. I also have to not mention the existence of bisexuals in reply to posts talking smack about bisexuals. Hoorah, I'm already done. Maybe as a kinda victory lap I'll assert that bisexuals exist.

You started "explaining the particulars of their sexual desires". You're still doing it. Does being completely wrong mitigate the offense? If you weren't full of yourself, it would be "okay I'm a gigantic horse's ass". Apparently they don't even feel the need to mention it until you start telling offensive lies about them. So if you're tired of seeing accurate definitions of the word "bisexual" you can avoid doing that and dictionaries and all your troubles will be over.

How dare they. Pigeonholes are there for a reason, people. Diversity just causes confusion in nuggin's noggin. Of course, someone might be telling the truth when they say that they eat cheese and eggs but not meat and fish, but that's no excuse --- they ought to have dietary preferences that nuggin understands, and apparently that isn't one of them. It seems simple enough to me, but then I'm the sort of mega-genius who can grasp erudite concepts like someone being attracted to both genders.As for the people who die if they eat peanuts, they probably deserve it.

it's you who has this strange obsession with bisexuals, the rest of us are just mocking it. Apparently some sort of phrase is needed to specify bisexuals, or how would you bitch about them? So until you can introduce the phrase GAY PLUS into the English language, the word "bisexual" will continue to be convenient. And much less misleading.

Apparently the voice in your head that you've mistaken for me is tediously repetitive. It lacks the imagination and verve that one associates with real people.

Something it would have in common with the claims you actually made, then. No-one asked you to single out bisexual people for misinformation and abuse. Apparently you decided that they were special in some way. Though not all that special, because I gather that lacto-ovo-vegetarians are bad too.

You too could read what I said instead of making it up. See, how would you stereotype bisexuals if you didn't have a word for them?

d.p.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

I don't think our posts are responsible for your delusions. I suspect you'd have 'em anyway.

My dear chap, that is manifestly what you are doing. Also there's this thing you have about vegetarians who eat eggs, but mainly it's the bisexuals.