Who designed the ID designer(s)?

"Who designed the ID designer(s)?"I do not think this is a good question. It'd be better to ask:
Who designed the designer(s)?Today we can observe, that all designs are less complex than their designers. In just about every case, the design/invention is unaware of whom it was created by, or through what means it arose from.If this invention happens to have enough intelligence (like humans), some investigation is required before they find out the means through which they came about (eg child asking mother, where did I come from?)....Or they may be simply told the means through which they arose, by some other intelligent agent (eg mother tells child how he was born).So to answer your question, we simply do not know who designed the designer(s), or even if the designer(s) themselves needed to be designed in the first place. The designer(s) would exist in a higher form than we know of today simply because, designers are always more complex than their creation.Perhaps they (or it) did not require any point of creation. It's like this, no one claims that nothing existed before time. Creationists say a god existed before time (he required no creation), while atheists say that matter existed before time (as well as the existence of infinite universes)...It all comes down to whose correct.Both concepts are hard to swallow but when you realize that life & this universe are here either by chance, or through creation (no alternative choice) you are forced to choose between the two views only. PLZ Note: I do not believe in any specific God, but because I believe that life here is a product of a designer, I also believe that there is a higher form than us.

Yes I would accept the possibility of complexity without design, but only when it comes down to 'the first cause' of the universe, as pointed out earlier. The universe required a starting point, whether this starting point was already complex or simple (when it comes down to the 'first cause') is irrelevant. They do not have to say so out rightly but, atheist do believe that matter existed before time.If the universe began with a bang, your going to have to assume that something banged. Like wise if you assume that there was a universe before this one, your also going to have to assume that matter was already present to create that universe.After all, nothing could only produce nothing, therefore there had to be something to produce a first cause.Also, if I'm not mistaken, there is a new theory which suggests that two membranes of other universes made contact with one another to form this universe. If this is the case then two other universes would have had to exist before these two to create other universes, thus making the number of universes infinite. I take it that this is your stance as to why you believe that the universe is here by chance...though your own argument works against you.If you do not attribute the universe to coincidence or creation, then what is your stance? Why couldn't bricks fall up and not down?When I observe an order universe such as galaxies, planetary seasons, the various laws of physics (gravity for instance) etc which holds together everything we know as the universe, I am forced to believe in a creator. Edited by 1SavageD1, : No reason given.

I'll have to agree with you on this point. Hard to see why you would regard the phrase "before time" as meaningless since it's always mentioned when considering the formation of the universe. Time had to have a starting point, so there is a period before & after time. You lost me here, are you saying that matter can refer to nothing?
Cause it is my understanding that matter refers to something physical, which would be 'something' than opposed to 'nothing'. Fair enough, you do not believe in an infinite number of universes. I guess all atheists do not 'believe' in the same 'theories'.But I can't help but wonder, which theory do you accept regarding the existence of this universe? If you do not attribute the universe to coincidence or creation, what is your stance? lol, I wasn't asking you how gravity functioned...On the other hand, are you saying that gravity is here simply because it was necessary? Why don't you just admit it, your taking the position that everything in this universe is here by chance. Of course I chose to, was I Claiming otherwise? as for your last point, I'm not certain where your getting at. My position is simply that this universe was created, what does personality have to do with it?

yep, something seriously went wrong man, first my password had stopped working and message boxes were extremely small so i couldn't respond. none the less i got past those problems... I agree. I just worded my sentence in that fashion to play with peoples heads, as some people truly believe that "all" theories should be held as absolute fact.... Never heard of it but, they are indeed words of wisdom. I agree here also. It is possible that one of the cosmological models may be correct. In a nutshell: From my point the universe appears to be ordered & because it appears ordered I deduce that a creator must be behind this order. There are galaxies (planets, the moons, gas giants, the suns), planetary seasons, and there is of course the various laws of physics which govern the universe (Gravity for example) and holds everything in place. etcNot only do I deduce a creator because of ordered universe, but also because there seems to be an underlying system in which things are governed to function (eg. the way planets orbit each other) whether it be on the atomic level or physically observable levels.There are number of other reasons, but they are way too lengthy & I'm way too lazy & busy. I may be right I maybe wrong, who knows, though it's still fun to argue about.