Who designed the ID designer(s)?

Straggler, when you say that natural processes can make complexity, and then try to compare that to life, it seems to me that you don't understand the perception of life as many can view it.Life isn't complex. That doesn't describe it at all. Its organized. Its sophisticated. Its methodical and systematic. Its interdependent on a million different precise symbiotic mazes. You talk about complexity like the patterns of a star, as if that could even come close to comparing with the highly organized factory that is life. Complexity is a mountain of sand. Life is not just a mountain of sand. Complex is not a word that is even in the same ballpark as the description of life.

Straggler,Go back and read what I just described life as being, and I think you can find the beginnings of an answer.Of course the English language really isn't deep enough to fully describe the intelligence and sophistication that is life-that so many here are willing to simply chalk up to mere chance.What's really silly, in my opinion, is that those same people that want to dismiss any intelligent force behind creation-because it can't be seen or proved, are however perfectly willing to invoke visions of endless universes, in which all is possible, or multiple dimensions, or cosmic hidden forces, if these imaginations they have conjured up can somehow help them to rationalize the reality they see without having to invoke something they describe as "unnatural" because it can't be seen.

I don't think you get it. Calling life complex is like calling the universe kind of big.Yea its kind of big, but does that really adequately convey its size?