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Author Topic:   Was the Use of Atomic Bombs Against Japan Justified?
frako
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Message 13 of 140 (623170)
07-08-2011 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by dronestar
07-08-2011 10:35 AM


Re: Let the short debate begin
I am curious, what is YOUR definition of a war crime or terrorist act? Seriously. Be specific.
Well back then it was legal now it would be a ware crime. Specific targeting of civilians.
A civilian under international humanitarian law (also known as the laws of war) is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia.
Civilian - Wikipedia

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frako
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Message 23 of 140 (623199)
07-08-2011 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Rahvin
07-08-2011 3:07 PM


Re: Missing considerations
Recognizing that something is inevitable and not necessarily a crime is rather different from supporting it.
Inevitable lol so if i know you are going to shoot a number of people and i shoot you 2 days before you do that then suddenly i have not committed murder??
Deliberate targeting of civilians is now a ware crime, back in the day when you dropped the bombs it wasn't well at least not an agreed upon ware crime.
There where 1001 ways to avoid leveling 2 cities and still get japan to surrender. Whit out mass casualties !!!
America just had to show the world its new toy and not only once but 2 times that is the only reason you dropped the bombs everything else are excuses.

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frako
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Message 26 of 140 (623218)
07-08-2011 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Rahvin
07-08-2011 3:44 PM


Re: Missing considerations
One would be that you drop the bomb in to explode above the ocean for the emperor to see then accept his surrender that had the condition he remains in power.
Do you relay think after seeing a mushroom cloud for himself that he would not surrender?
Destroying major shipping ports and manufacturing facilities is not and was not a war crime.
Yea thats like saying destroying new york is not a war crime because it has a port and factories. Carpet bombing would have yielded much fewer casualties then an A bomb
And the primary targets in Nagasaki the port and the steal works where already destroyed by regular bombs So the nuke just gave the final blow to the city and leveled everything else the hospital that has already been hit too the school and civilian houses. And as for how informed the Japanese where about the A bomb the air raid siren was called off because they believed that the plane they see is only on a reconnaissance mission.

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frako
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Message 29 of 140 (623225)
07-08-2011 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Taz
07-08-2011 6:04 PM


Re: Missing considerations
[qs]Should they kill 100,000 people now and end the war or should they slowly kill 1,000,000 in the course of 3 months?[qs] Firstly 200 000 people
just not all of them instantly the efects of the bomb killed anoter 100 000 people after the first 100 000 died "instantly"
Secondly how many of those where civilians you know fishermen rice farmers .... 90% 95% ????
Look, the point of dropping the 2 a-bombs wasn't to kill people or to destroy equipments. The point was to shock the Japanese into surrender.
Like they had any other choice all the other Axies where defeted by the allies japan was the last one left you realy think they would hold out against the whole world for 3 months
You weren't there. You didn't have to make the decisions.
I know i wouldent nuke a city at worst an army base but not a city.
After 2 bombs, much of the Japanese government would still not surrender. Even after the Emperor ordered to surrender, certain elements of the military still tried uncuccessfully to stop the announcement of surrender.
Firstly after the first bomb they dint know what the hell happened all they knew was that a city with large stockpiles of explosives got erased from the map if someone suspected that the enemy droped one bomb and destroyed the city they would probably think he is mad there was no such weapon known at the time.
And you had to fight those for 3 months loosing countless lives they surrendered in every surrender there are some extremists that want to fight on
WW2 was a real war, not some game you've been playing. The more the anti-Abomb crowd talk, the more naive you guys sound.
Yea that real ware was alredy ending the germans where defeated the italians changed the direction they where pissing as the winds changed ..... The only one left was Japan against the armies of the world you could have freeking capret bommbed the entire island with the militery power that was at japans doorstep.
To reply to the above post too
The Americans had a 3d bomb projected in august and another 3 bombs in September wasting one bomb to spare 100 000 CIVILIAN lives of a country that knew it was going to loose is too high a price to pay?

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frako
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Message 31 of 140 (623229)
07-08-2011 7:00 PM
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07-08-2011 6:52 PM


Re: Missing considerations
Are you seriously suggesting carpet bombing the whole country over the months and then ending it with a spectacular invasion was better than dropping 2 bombs to get an immediate surrender?
No i am simply suggesting that japan had no choice but to surrender and would have surrendered pretty soon.
Look, the point of dropping the 2 a-bombs wasn't to kill people or to destroy equipments. The point was to shock the Japanese into surrender.
The al kaida did not commit any ware crime when it attacked the WTC with those planes the goal was not to kill civilians but to shock America into surrender. Would you agree with this statement?

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frako
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Message 33 of 140 (623232)
07-08-2011 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
07-08-2011 7:10 PM


Re: Missing considerations
Yea the technicality that they are not a country but still

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