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Author Topic:   Which More 3LoT Compatible, Cavediver's Temp.Non-ID Or Buzsaw's Infinite ID Universe
Buzsaw
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Message 226 of 304 (644223)
12-16-2011 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by hooah212002
12-15-2011 11:48 PM


Re: Buz is a fucking moron
hooah writes:
Have you seen a rain drop form? Have you seen a magic sky wizard design a universe?
Yes. Thanks for asking. The process is wonderful. One of my sons has cameras and techy which shows them forming in slow motion. There are physical observable magnifying techy which blows up the image to any desirable extent. Likely, if you recall, you've seen them also. We can watch it happen regularly. we have absolute proof of the before, present and after of the rain drop.
On the other hand, you, Cavediver, none of us human-kind have ever seen anything having no evidence of a before, outside of, timeless, space-less, etc. event such as the magical myth of the alleged singularity and BB which has been indoctrinated into the impressionable minds of the sheeple science students of our educational institutions.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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hooah212002
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Message 227 of 304 (644224)
12-16-2011 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Buzsaw
12-16-2011 8:26 AM


Re: Buz is a fucking moron
physical observable magnifying techy
So you just glom words together, hoping to get some point across? What does this phrase even mean? What is techy?
We can watch it happen regularly
So you would have no problem providing, say...., a video of this?
On the other hand, you, Cavediver, none of us human-kind have ever seen anything having no evidence of a before, outside of, timeless, space-less, etc. event such as the magical myth of the alleged singularity and BB which has been indoctrinated into the impressionable minds of the sheeple science students of our educational institutions.
On the other hand, you, ICANT, none of us human-kind have ever seen anything having no evidence of a before, outside of, timeless, space-less, etc. event such as the magical myth of the alleged IDer or sky wizard which has been indoctrinated into the impressionable minds of the sheeple church going children of our societies, even attempting to shoehorn this wizardry into the schools.

Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas

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Buzsaw
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Message 228 of 304 (644226)
12-16-2011 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Straggler
12-16-2011 6:04 AM


Re: Amazing Effects Of Increased Entropy
Straggler writes:
Every event ever observed results in an increase, never a decrease, in entropy. Every single time you do anything (lift a cup, type on your computer, walk down the road etc.) entropy increases. Never decreases. As the Sun and all of the other stars blaze away total entropy increases. Never decreases.
Do you understand this? Do you dispute this?
First let me ask you this, Straggler. Would the engineering work processes (relative to 2LoT) of creating the cup all the way from natural material to the intelligent designing and creation of the cup which you lifted be more indicative of an increase or decrease of entropy?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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PaulK
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Message 229 of 304 (644228)
12-16-2011 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by Buzsaw
12-16-2011 8:59 AM


Re: Amazing Effects Of Increased Entropy
Obviously it would involve a net increase in entropy.

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Buzsaw
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Message 230 of 304 (644230)
12-16-2011 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by hooah212002
12-16-2011 8:40 AM


Re: Buz is a fucking moron
hooah writes:
On the other hand, you, ICANT, none of us human-kind have ever seen anything having no evidence of a before, outside of, timeless, space-less, etc. event such as the magical myth of the alleged IDer or sky wizard which has been indoctrinated into the impressionable minds of the sheeple church going children of our societies, even attempting to shoehorn this wizardry into the schools.
Which is more physically observable, Hooah? The alleged space-less, timeless, singularity having no outside of or area in which to expand, etc. or the return of Jews and re-instated nation of Israel after 1900 plus years of global dispersion as per the Biblical prophecies?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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hooah212002
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Message 231 of 304 (644231)
12-16-2011 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Buzsaw
12-16-2011 9:15 AM


Re: Buz is a fucking moron
Which is more physically observable, Hooah? The alleged space-less, timeless, singularity having no outside of or area in which to expand,
You have no clue what you are talking about and if you can't get a better understanding after cavediver has schooled you numerous times, I doubt I can. Nay, I know I cannot put it any simpler than either Son Goku or cavediver.... let alone the others who know far more than myself. I do know this: you have know clue what the big bang is or what the theory entails so I refuse to chase any fantasies you have about it in order to attempt to refute it.
or the return of Jews and re-instated nation of Israel after 1900 plus years of global dispersion as per the Biblical prophecies?
You will notice I said your magic sky wizard, not jews. Your jews doing whatever jews do has fuck all to do with observing your engineer/designer/jew wizard/majik sky daddy thingamabob.
Edited by hooah212002, : Grammatical fuck fest

Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas

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jar
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Message 232 of 304 (644233)
12-16-2011 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Buzsaw
12-16-2011 9:15 AM


Observed?
First, the singularity is not an object, but the Big Bang is observable.
There is no evidence though of the return of Jews and re-instated nation of Israel after 1900 plus years of global dispersion as per the Biblical prophecies.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Buzsaw
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Message 233 of 304 (644274)
12-16-2011 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by jar
12-16-2011 10:03 AM


Re: Observed?
jar writes:
First, the singularity is not an object
Mmm, Thanks, Jar. I'll add that to my list of impossibilities relative to the alleged singularity.
If you or other like-minded sheeple, can think of other impossibilities or un-observables which could be added to my list, I'd like to be apprised of them also, so as to expand the list of expansion impossibilities.
jar writes:
but the Big Bang is observable.
Mmm, given the singularity was all of the above, including no object from which anything could emerge, you sheeple really do believe in magic, don't you?
jar writes:
There is no evidence though of the return of Jews and re-instated nation of Israel after 1900 plus years of global dispersion as per the Biblical prophecies.
What's you problem with it: not magical enough for you to buy into?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 234 of 304 (644276)
12-16-2011 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Buzsaw
12-16-2011 7:07 PM


Re: Observed?
You do know that no adult that has reached the maturity of at least a twelve year old would use the word "sheeple" don't you?
The facts remain; there is evidence that the Big Bang happened and no evidence that the Biblical prophecies of a revived Israel ever happened.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 235 of 304 (644281)
12-16-2011 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Buzsaw
12-16-2011 7:07 PM


Re: Observed?
Mmm, Thanks, Jar. I'll add that to my list ...
Actually, I think you'll find that you've added something completely different to your list. You can tell that it's different by the way that it's not the same thing.

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Straggler
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Message 236 of 304 (644331)
12-17-2011 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by Buzsaw
12-16-2011 8:59 AM


Re: Amazing Effects Of Increased Entropy
Straggler writes:
Every event ever observed results in an increase, never a decrease, in entropy. Every single time you do anything (lift a cup, type on your computer, walk down the road etc.) entropy increases. Never decreases. As the Sun and all of the other stars blaze away total entropy increases. Never decreases. Do you understand this? Do you dispute this?
Buz writes:
First let me ask you this, Straggler. Would the engineering work processes (relative to 2LoT) of creating the cup all the way from natural material to the intelligent designing and creation of the cup which you lifted be more indicative of an increase or decrease of entropy?
The construction of said cup will result in an increase in total entropy. That is what the second law tells us. That is what we observe.
Do you understand this? Do you dispute this?
Look around you Buz. Every event you can see is resulting in an increase in entropy. Your computer. Your light bulb. The Sun. You extracting energy from the food you ate for breakfast. So how on Earth can your eternal universe not be in a state of equilibrium (i.e. maximum entropy)?
Are you suggesting that this designer of yours is secretly offsetting ALL of the observed increases in entropy by reducing the entropy of the universe in some unseen and unobservable way?

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Buzsaw
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Message 237 of 304 (644338)
12-17-2011 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by jar
12-16-2011 7:18 PM


Re: Observed?
jar writes:
You do know that no adult that has reached the maturity of at least a twelve year old would use the word "sheeple" don't you?
Perhaps you would do well, Jar to respond to my facts with something substantive rather than to reveal to the www cyber-world your ignorance regarding valid terminology.
Wiki deemed the commonly used term as valid terminology thus:
jar writes:
The facts remain; there is evidence that the Big Bang happened and no evidence that the Biblical prophecies of a revived Israel ever happened.
This is a typical example of blind substanceless assertions that have cluttered up this board over the years with thousands more posts than any other member.
The still unanswered question was whether you've seen either the singularity or the BB expansion.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Straggler
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Message 238 of 304 (644346)
12-17-2011 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Buzsaw
12-17-2011 8:34 AM


Re: Observed?
Buz writes:
The still unanswered question was whether you've seen either the singularity or the BB expansion.
What we have seen is increasing entropy.
What we haven't seen is the decreases in entropy that your model demands.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 239 of 304 (644360)
12-17-2011 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Buzsaw
12-17-2011 8:34 AM


Re: Observed?
And as has been pointed out to you the Singularity is not a thing, not an object; however the expansion is certainly seen, even measured. In fact just in the last few days we learned more about type 1a Supernovas that help measure the expansion.
What is not seen and what you fail to produce consistently is any evidence in support of your assertions.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Son
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Message 240 of 304 (644382)
12-17-2011 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Buzsaw
12-17-2011 8:34 AM


Re: Observed?
The subject is about whether your model or the Big Bang model agrees with the LOTs. Given that you have said your model requires for entropy to not increase contrary to what the 2nd LOT states, would you agree to say that at least your model disagrees with the LOTs? Keep in mind that according to 2nd LOT, there is NO way for entropy to decrease even with work or whatever else.
More generally, I never understood why you ever tried to make it seem as if science agrees with your views. You obviously think God's revelation is superior to science so why do you care about what science says? It seems to me that you are trying to usurp science's successes.

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