War and Morality. Al Qaeda v USA

Yes, but if i lived in a nation that was largely poor and had offers of assistance from a nation that was quite wealthy, I may decide that compromise is better than futility. Depends how they invaded, who they were after, and if they were rebuilding public roads and bridges and building water desalination plants and electrical grids. I could care less if they were of my religion as long as they didn't hurt me or my family. Why should these poor people not want to have a consensus with us? I suspect that their fundamentalist religion gets in the way of it...which proves that it is not only we who are crazy.

Like the electric grids, power stations, hospitals, roads and bridges that they blew up?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

It makes no sense. They are helping make sure that Iraq and Afghanistan were a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. My question remains...why do they hate us so much? WE are trying to build stuff for them, after all. We just dont want them to remain a fundamentalist religious backwoods nation, as that type of thinking is, in our opinion, illogical.

Well, we did destroy their infrastructure, impose a new government on them and have remained as an occupying arm.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Yes I agree that we did more harm getting involved than we did good, though a case could be made that our soldiers received an invaluable experience actually seeing how these people live and that they are not all terrorists.If ideology and stinking thinking is the enemy, it be us.What did we expect to accomplish over there? Seems like a money pit!The Taliban likely will return.

Hi Phat,Seems to me we, or some of us can be pretty intolerant too. Including a presidential candidate.

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Cain: Opposing mosque construction is not discrimination

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By: CNN Associate Producer Gabriella Schwarz

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(CNN) - Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that communities should be able to prevent the construction of mosques in their neighborhoods.

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Cain said he sided with some residents of a Tennessee town who tried to prevent Muslims from worshiping nearby.

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The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, outside Nashville, has been the subject of protests and counter protests earlier. A judge ruled in May that its planned construction did not harm the residents who sued to prevent it, but also allowed claims that the county violated an open meetings law in approving it to move forward. Construction of the new center has yet to start as the case continues.

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"Our Constitution guarantees separation of church and state. Islam combines church and state," Cain said on "Fox News Sunday." "They are using the church part of our First Amendment to infuse their mosque in that community and the people in the community do not like it, they disagree with it."

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The former Godfather's Pizza CEO, who previously indicated Muslims would need to prove their loyalty to the U.S. Constitution before he would appoint them to his administration, said that ultimately, people know what is best in their own communities.

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"I'm simply saying I owe it to the American people to be cautious because terrorists are trying to kill us," Cain said. "So yes, I'm going to err on the side of caution, rather than the side of carelessness."

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At the same time, Cain said he didn’t think there was any religious discrimination in Murfreesboro residents opposing the mosque or his support for their stand.

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As someone who grew up in the '50s and '60s, Cain said, the mosque issue is "totally different" than the civil rights era because of the laws restricting blacks from advancing.

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It seems some people here in the USA only want freedom of religion if it one they don't find offensive. With attitudes like that, from a man running for president no less, its no wonder why we are hated by many Muslims including non-extremist/fundamentalist ones.

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The former Godfather's Pizza CEO, who previously indicated Muslims would need to prove their loyalty to the U.S. Constitution before he would appoint them to his administration

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Seems like a little confusion about church and state also, JMO.Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. ThompsonAd astra per asperaNihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

Reasons to hate us from Herman Cain expanded.

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Herman Cain: Muslims must show loyalty to work for me
By: CNN's Ashley Killough

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(CNN) - GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain stood firm Friday on his promise to make Muslims prove loyalty to the U.S. Constitution before appointing them to his administration - a test, he has said, that would not apply to people of other faiths.

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The former CEO of Godfather's Pizza denied that the proposed test is a form of discrimination when pressed Friday by CNN's John King.

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"That's not discrimination. It's called trying to protect the American people," Cain said. "This nation is under attack constantly by people who want to kill all of us, so I'm going to take extra precaution."

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In March, Cain made headlines when he told a Think Progress blogger that he would feel uncomfortable appointing a Muslim as a member of his cabinet or as a federal judge. And while speaking on Fox News on Wednesday, he said there was a "greater dangerous part of the Muslim faith" than other religions.

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Cain told King on Friday that he would be comfortable with a Muslim serving in office only if he could gauge the person's sense of loyalty through a one-on-one conversation.

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"I never said I would discriminate against Muslims or any other religion for that matter, but I am going to take extra precautions if a Muslim person who is competent wants to work in my administration," he said.

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Cain has grown in popularity over recent months. The latest poll released by Quinnipiac University on June 8 puts him in third place in the 2012 GOP field, with 10%. He falls behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who placed first, and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who came in second.

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— On Monday, June 13, CNN will host the first New Hampshire Republican Presidential Debate, live from Manchester, NH at 8 p.m. ET. Follow all the issues and campaign news leading up to the debate on CNNPolitics.com and @cnnpolitics on Twitter.

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Maybe he should question the loyalty of Catholics also, wouldn't want someone who may put the needs of the Vatican ahead of whats best for USA. Hell why we are at it might as well make everyone whom he has working for him sign an oath of loyalty that would insure the separation of their religious beliefs from their job. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. ThompsonAd astra per asperaNihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

I recently read a great book, The Next Decade: Where We've Been . . . and Where We're Going by George Friedman. He notes that the US had no strategy until September 11th, then applied the wrong strategy as it hastily tried (too late) to understand the world and the thinking and ideologies of people other than our own. (never-mind that we cant even understand ourselves)Friedman has other books too...and as soon as I can I'm going to browse skim read them all.

Just wanted to come back to this and say - I was happy to have been proven completely wrong.

In different hands you could have been horribly right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/15731843