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desdamona
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Message 196 of 214 (102314)
04-23-2004 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by mark24
04-23-2004 7:27 PM


Re: There had to be a first!
We cannot believe in every scientist,we have to choose which scientists we feel are best at presenting their views.

Desdamona

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Asgara
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Message 197 of 214 (102315)
04-23-2004 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by desdamona
04-23-2004 9:43 PM


Re: There had to be a first!
Des, we will get into this in the new topic once it is approved. I do want to say one thing though.
Science has NOTHING to do with what anyone "feels" or any one's views or who presents those views best.

Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"

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mark24
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Message 198 of 214 (102380)
04-24-2004 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by desdamona
04-23-2004 9:34 PM


Re: There had to be a first!
desdemona,
however, lables and names you use when talking about those that disagree with you is not going to win converts or a willingness to change to your way of viewing things.It only inspires anger and yes, even christians will get upset and irritated at you. No one likes being treated ugly.
You are being treated exactly as you deserve.
I have caught you lying & being a hypocrite. You have hand waved away evidence simply by claiming "that's not evidence". No supporting argument, no reasons, just a dismissal.
If this is what Christians feel is acceptable behaviour then it's you who are unlikely to win converts, not me.
We cannot believe in every scientist,we have to choose which scientists we feel are best at presenting their views.
We don't "believe" scientists at all. We accept or reject proposed hypotheses & theories based upon their logical efficacy, evidential support, & falsifications realised or not. A scientists presentation skills are neither here nor there.
Science is not like being preached at from the pulpit.
How do you mean "evidence" and beyond resonable doubt?
You have not even given any names and sources.
Yes I did. See the link at the top of the post, there is a link in there which takes you back to Bentons study. How quickly you forget.
Mark
[This message has been edited by mark24, 04-24-2004]

"Physical Reality of Matchette’s EVOLUTIONARY zero-atom-unit in a transcendental c/e illusion" - Brad McFall

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desdamona
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Message 199 of 214 (102514)
04-24-2004 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by mark24
04-24-2004 8:02 AM


Re: There had to be a first!
AGAIN, You are being treated as you deserve! you are a big fat passing fat fart of gas in the wind!!!
As I have proven time and time again, you not one shred of concrete evidence, just a big fat mouth!!!
Science is not what you believe and you and I both know it!
That mask you where sure makes a loud thump when it falls off doesn't it? Admit you are the liar. you love fairytales because the truth is too much for you to handle or dare try to cope with. You hate truth,just like you hate rules. No rules equals chaos and violence.Don't you even understand that,and "No" you are not above others,you are not one of a few elite smart people who should rule over others,got it?
Admit you hate rules,and that you hate God and all authority and be done with it. You love to sin and I hate to sin because sin kills!!!
SIN kills people,don't you see that?

Desdamona

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desdamona
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Message 200 of 214 (102515)
04-24-2004 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by mark24
04-24-2004 8:02 AM


Re: There had to be a first!
edited out duplicate post. One nasty, invective filled post is enough, we don't need multiple copies.
[This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 04-25-2004]

Desdamona

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AdminAsgara
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Message 201 of 214 (102516)
04-24-2004 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by desdamona
04-24-2004 11:39 PM


Re: There had to be a first!
I'm getting really testy here Des. I thought we had an understanding on posting rules for now. You continue to post out of the threads that I had restricted you to. You post off topic. No matter what your personal beliefs are, the bible is not an appropriate answer to every topic and question on this forum.
Please refer back to this thread and respond to me there, that you have reread it and will abide by it.
http://EvC Forum: Restrictions for Desdamona

AdminAsgara
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Kapyong
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Message 202 of 214 (102531)
04-25-2004 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by AdminAsgara
04-24-2004 11:43 PM


Oh dear
Greetings all,
Welcome to EvC Desdamona
Its sad to see the debate getting a little heated
Especially when Lam and Desdamona were starting to get on so well.
I was intrigued by Lam's comment that he treats everyone the same, and by Desdamona's approval of that vs her complaint about sexism in her community (I wonder if Desdamona will think about what that implies.)
But I wonder if this strict equality is so good in this case?
Perhaps Desdamona would be better treated here if we noted her background (no offence Desdamona, I applaud your attempts to expand your horizons, and hope to help your visit here be fruitful.)
It seems we are talking with a young lady from high school, perhaps 14 years old, from a tiny town of < 10,000 people (< 4000 families) in a conservative southern state, with a family backgound that is obviously religious and conservative.
Of course her arguments may be weak, of course she may get things wrong, of course she still believes in the Bible.
But she CHOSE to come here to debate and discuss big concepts,
she STATED she wanted to learn,
she ADMITTED there was much she did not know.
These are good signs for a maturing young person, so I hope all here strive to help this young lady grow and learn, and overlook her immaturities
On the otherhand,
dear Desdamona -
If you do want to have a pleasant discussion here, you will have to keep an open attitude - there are members here who are very intelligent and highly knowledgeable indeed, but they will not tolerate silliness. Imagine telling your English teacher that you knew Othello was really written by Marlowe because a Bible code told you so - he'd laugh. Such are some of the things you say here.
Of course its good to be sceptical, but you show a habit of being blindly sceptical with scientific reality which is thoroughly tested, and yet gullible about old-wives-tales and Bible stories and creationist web sites.
Honestly Desdamona, when you start showing as much scepticism towards the things grandma tells you the Bible teaches, as towards tried and tested science, then you will be taken more seriously here.
You complimented Lam on not being sexist while noting sexism in your own community - yet this sexism can be found rooted right there in the Bible which informs your society (e.g. much of the OT and comments by Paul) - has this made you think Desdamona? Do you think the way of the Bible is always right?
Iasion

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Asgara
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Posts: 1783
From: Wisconsin, USA
Joined: 05-10-2003


Message 203 of 214 (102536)
04-25-2004 2:36 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Kapyong
04-25-2004 2:23 AM


Re: Oh dear
It seems we are talking with a young lady from high school, perhaps 14 years old, from a tiny town of < 10,000 people (< 4000 families) in a conservative southern state, with a family backgound that is obviously religious and conservative.
One small problem Iasion, Des is a grown woman with at least one grown son and is homeschooling her other children.

Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"

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nator
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Message 204 of 214 (102540)
04-25-2004 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by desdamona
04-24-2004 11:39 PM


Re: There had to be a first!
quote:
you are a big fat passing fat fart of gas in the wind!!!
And you are a big fat dum-dum poo-poo head!
Seriously, des, how old are you?
You are acting like a spoiled, bratty, 7 year old child.
If snotty, infantile insults are all you are interested in posting to this forum, then why are you here?
Let me tell you that if the way you act here and treat people is the way Christians are supposed to act, then I think I'd much rather take my example from the Atheists I have come to know.
Seriously, you seem to have a great deal of anger and hate for people who do not believe as you do.

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Sylas
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Message 205 of 214 (102545)
04-25-2004 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by desdamona
04-24-2004 11:42 PM


Re: There had to be a first!
I invite those who want to respond this post by Desdamona to make use of the rant thread I started in the Free For All forum. I have done so, in Message 46.
Sylas.

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 206 of 214 (102546)
04-25-2004 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by AdminAsgara
04-24-2004 11:43 PM


Big red monsters that kill sh*t
Where do you get all these little picture things? I could sure use a picture of a big red monster that burns little bunny rabbits for when people piss meoff.

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 207 of 214 (102549)
04-25-2004 4:02 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by One_Charred_Wing
04-25-2004 3:52 AM


Re: Big red monsters that kill sh*t
The source for that one is http://instagiber.net/...iesdotcom/contrib/sz/killtheimu.gif
You can get the source URL for any graphic by right clicking on it, and then choosing the right thing from the menu ("View Image" on my Mozila browser).
Now back to the theme of the topic, if anyone actually knows what it is.
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Kapyong
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Message 208 of 214 (102555)
04-25-2004 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Asgara
04-25-2004 2:36 AM


oh
Really?
She's a grown up?
Well,
I am surprised, and wrong
Iasion

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Message 209 of 214 (102556)
04-25-2004 4:40 AM


Replay of message 205
Sylas writes:
I invite those who want to respond this post by Desdamona to make use of the rant thread I started in the Free For All forum. I have done so, in Message 46.
Sylas.
Once again, now back to the theme of the topic, if anyone actually knows what it is.
Adminnemooseus
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mark24
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Message 210 of 214 (102570)
04-25-2004 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by desdamona
04-24-2004 11:39 PM


Re: There had to be a first!
desdemona,
At Sylas' request, I respond to your good, honest Christian invective here.
Mark

"Physical Reality of Matchette’s EVOLUTIONARY zero-atom-unit in a transcendental c/e illusion" - Brad McFall

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