Chance as a sole-product of the Universe

Scripture also tells us that God lied and the snake told the truth. There is no rational reason for 66 books (chosen more-or-less arbitrarily) to agree 100% in every detail.

Phat, stop continuously misrepresenting what I say.It is not what I say, it is what is actually written in the Bible story. The Bible says God lied. The God character in the story says that the serpent told the truth.You don't seem to like reality but that is what is actually written in the Bible.

Oh stop with your Faith display of Capital Letters! I was talking to ringo, who also buys that. And the serpant did not tell us the whole truth. We became "like God" or like one of us...only in that we became aware of the difference between good and evil. It is patently ridiculous for any created thing to become "like God". Even the serpent is a poor imitation. It is evident, however, that in today's world there are many imitative spirits, or vibes, or traits that mimic Jesus Christ yet are far from Him. God Himself may hollar from some mountain to stop misrepresenting Him. You, on the other hand, have no such authority.

Then stop lying about what I have said. Yet the story still says that the God lied and the serpent told the truth. Perhaps it is beyond your imagination but the evidence shows it was not ridiculous to the author of the story. Yet no one ever presents evidence that supports such an assertion. Then when God does hollar from some mountain to stop misrepresenting Him I will be happy to discuss the issue with him.But I do have the authority to continue to point out when you repeatedly misrepresent what I say.

But as I told you before and which is evident if you read who I was replying to, I was not even talking to or about you.Add By Edit: Oops. I *was* talking to you. OK, I stand corrected. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

That doesn't give your apologists licence to make up more "truth" to fill in the gaps. How is a raven like a writing desk? It only needs to be in one way. If "like" meant in every way, a raven would be a writing desk. That's patently false. We were "created in His image" means exactly that we are like Him.

In the standard (Copenhagen) reading of Quantum Theory what is occurring is that reality as it truly is cannot be imagined or conceived of by the human mind or modelled scientifically.All we can do is arrange a situation where the fundamental "stuff" will leave a trace in our macroscopic world. This trace will always be comprehensible as a classical property since it will be evident in some device we use.Thus the position and momentum referred to in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle are actually positions and momentum of the device, not the particle.The uncertainty principle then shows you that these properties cannot be combined. The results you get from position measurements and momentum measurements do not sensibly combine. You can see a mark in a detector, then measure momentum and get "moving to the left" then measure position again and it is to the right of the original mark. This is to be expected though since position and momentum are not true properties of the microworld.What quantum theory lets you do is predict the chance of the next mark/trace in a device given the input of a previous one you saw. That these are random is part and parcel of the fact that you don't have a theory of what is actually going on and never can have such a theory, since the true reality lies outside human conception.

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And the serpant did not tell us the whole truth. We became "like God" or like one of us...only in that we became aware of the difference between good and evil.

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Which is what the serpent said. It is you who is not telling the whole truth by leaving that out.Genesis 3:5 (NRSV)