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Author Topic:   If our sun is second or third generation, does this not conflict with Genesis ?
granpa
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Message 90 of 231 (616358)
05-20-2011 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by arachnophilia
05-20-2011 9:57 PM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
It is my personal theory that 'round things' were created on day four.
whatever these round things were they came between the earliest living things (tree-like things) of day 3 and the living nephesh's (oxygen breathers) of day five

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granpa
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Message 93 of 231 (616363)
05-21-2011 12:11 AM
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05-21-2011 12:00 AM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
You are right, it doesnt say that in the hebrew, but why assume that the story was originally told in hebrew. If it really is the story of genesis then it goes all the way back to Adam. There is no reason to assume that Adam spoke hebrew. Just because 'sun' and 'moon' and 'stars' dont have that association in hebrew doesnt mean that they didnt in the original language.
Its called 'extrapolating' not 'making stuff up'.
I have no idea what you are trying to say about 3rd day. What becomes what?
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granpa
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Message 112 of 231 (616561)
05-23-2011 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by arachnophilia
05-22-2011 10:48 PM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
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this isn't a baseless claim we are assuming -- we actually have the stories genesis 1 was based upon. they can be found in babylonian mythology.
correlation is not causation. even if you can establish a connection between genesis and Babylonian mythology you cant tell which one is based on which.
It may well be that Babylonian mythology is based on a much older oral tradition of genesis (which we already hypothesized to explain how 'sun, moon, and stars' become 'round things').
You start with a preconceived idea and then interpret all evidence to support that idea then declare that you have 'scientifically' proven that the bible is wrong. typical.
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granpa
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Message 115 of 231 (616735)
05-24-2011 10:00 AM
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05-23-2011 10:51 PM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
"literary analysis"?
how are you going to analyze the oral tradition when we dont even know what language it was in?
It may even be a dead language

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granpa
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Message 117 of 231 (616746)
05-24-2011 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by New Cat's Eye
05-24-2011 10:24 AM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
if they carved it into stone then it wasnt oral tradition was it?

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granpa
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Message 119 of 231 (616751)
05-24-2011 10:46 AM
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05-24-2011 10:37 AM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
"we" were discussing post 90.
the hebrew written version of genesis may indeed have been influenced by babylonian mythology but I suggested in post 90 that both were influenced by a much earlier (and much more accurate) preflood and prebabel oral tradition. I also suggested that the language may now be dead.
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granpa
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Message 123 of 231 (616763)
05-24-2011 11:07 AM
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05-24-2011 11:01 AM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
It is true there is no direct empirical evidence for this theory but we can extrapolate from what we can see to what we cant see.
we cant see neutrons directly but we can infer their existence anyway.

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granpa
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Message 125 of 231 (616769)
05-24-2011 11:17 AM
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05-24-2011 11:14 AM


Re: you're going to have to "Stuudy Genesis" even more than that.
And how do you test something like the documentary hypothesis?

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