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Trae
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Message 91 of 98 (614865)
05-08-2011 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Hyroglyphx
05-04-2011 5:32 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
Hyroglyphx writes:
This whole debacle of having no real proof of said assassination is creating a conspiracy theorists play ground. It's like dousing gasoline on fire.
What evidence would have been enough?

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dronestar
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Message 92 of 98 (615114)
05-10-2011 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by DevilsAdvocate
05-07-2011 12:31 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
DA writes:
Maybe the following will help shed light on the inaccurate claims in laying the blame on America when it really was the result of the Iraqi government itself (Saddam Hussein) who was guilty of deliberately mismanaging tens of billions of dollars in humanitarian aid as shown below:
Ohmygosh, your right. There's absolutely no way American presidents or "military intelligence" could possibly have known that Saddam Hussein was really a bad guy, and would do something naughty like that. Afterall, Saddam Hussein looks so trustworthy in this picture:
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein
Drone writes:
When Madeline Albright said it was worth killing half a million children to bring about political change?
DA writes:
She made a statement she later regretted making. I agree though it was poorly worded and sounded inhumane in context to the question.
Well, we COULD debate the actual number of children horrifically murdered if it would allow you to sleep at night. However, I agree with your quote above. I can very well imagine that after Madeline Albright thoughtfully considered the question and then gave an HONEST and TRUTHFUL answer, she LATER regretted it.
Drone writes:
Do we have a policy of deliberately murdering innocent people and children. Of course not. We are not the evil people you make us out to be. You do not even acknowledge the billions of dollars in aid and military support we provide to people around the world on a daily basis (i.e. our military provided humanitarian aid to Japan and Haiti in the latest news).
The recipients of USA's LARGEST foreign aid packages are those nations with the worst human rights violations: Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Columbia, . . . in short, this evidence DOES support that America has a policy of deliberately murdering innocent people.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 93 of 98 (615183)
05-11-2011 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by dronestar
05-10-2011 12:55 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
Ohmygosh, your right. There's absolutely no way American presidents or "military intelligence" could possibly have known that Saddam Hussein was really a bad guy, and would do something naughty like that. Afterall, Saddam Hussein looks so trustworthy in this picture:
You are quick to criticize past mistakes but do nothing to provide real solutions. Yes, we have supported regimes and countries we later regret assisting.
I agree that sometime we are too intrusive in some of our foreign forays. However, the very same countries that jump on us for being to intrusive are the same ones that criticize us when we do not do enough.
Well, we COULD debate the actual number of children horrifically murdered if it would allow you to sleep at night. However, I agree with your quote above. I can very well imagine that after Madeline Albright thoughtfully considered the question and then gave an HONEST and TRUTHFUL answer, she LATER regretted it.
You are quick to blame America however You didn't address the fact that Saddam Husein and his administration squandered the food and aid given to him as well as the UN's food for oil scam that I mentioned and linked to.
The recipients of USA's LARGEST foreign aid packages are those nations with the worst human rights violations: Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Columbia, . . . in short, this evidence DOES support that America has a policy of deliberately murdering innocent people.
Giving military and economic aid to countries that provide stability in a region (i.e. Egypt and Turkey) and developing countries is not evidence for deliberately murdering innocent people in the same manner that giving money to the Boy Scouts is not evidence that if a rogue Scout Master molests a scout that you deliberately molested the young scout yourself.
Does this aid need tweeking. Yes. Should we restrict aid countries who are involved in human rights abuses. Yes.

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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GDR
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Message 94 of 98 (615496)
05-13-2011 3:36 PM


Just for what it is worth in all of this, it seems to me that the problem isn't Hussein, Bin Laden or others of their ilk. The problem is the ideas that they represent, and so the question that we have to ask is whether killing them weakens or strengthens their ideology.
I haven't read all of this thread so if I'm repeating something I apologise.
Edited by GDR, : sp

  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 95 of 98 (615517)
05-13-2011 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Trae
05-08-2011 6:24 AM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
Trae writes:
Hyroglyphx writes:
This whole debacle of having no real proof of said assassination is creating a conspiracy theorists play ground. It's like dousing gasoline on fire.
What evidence would have been enough?
To quell conspiracy theorists, nothing. No amount of evidence sways those yahoos. But for me, a picture of the body would suffice.
http://www.hulu.com/...e-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-faceoff
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Dr Adequate
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Message 96 of 98 (615632)
05-15-2011 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Hyroglyphx
05-13-2011 8:16 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
To quell conspiracy theorists, nothing. No amount of evidence sways those yahoos. But for me, a picture of the body would suffice.
'Cos the government might lie to you, but they'd never stoop to faking a photograph.
Me, I'll settle for a complete absence of an alive bin Laden. Unless you suppose that he's in on it ...

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fearandloathing
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Message 97 of 98 (615643)
05-15-2011 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Hyroglyphx
05-13-2011 8:16 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
I tell you he is not dead........I have proof........he is in my basement, along with Elvis and Michael Jackson, and my cyborg that contains Hitlers brain.
I think most of these conspiracy nuts are only seeking attention, Its the ones who really believe in what they say that I find the most entertaining...kind of reminds me of a few people on here who will twist the truth to suit their arguments, RB being among the worst, Inventing evidence and misrepresenting credible science or ignoring it all together when it proves them wrong.
I personally think he,OBL, is fish food, and am glad that so far there hasn't been the repercussions I thought might happen, although its too soon to say there wont be any retaliatory attacks.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson
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Trae
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Posts: 442
From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 98 of 98 (615726)
05-16-2011 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Hyroglyphx
05-13-2011 8:16 PM


Re: Regarding Rhetoric, Emotions, Irony and Healing
I see. I just don’t get the concept that the government could create a conspiracy requiring at minimum dozens of people is considered to be easier to pull off than a photograph which face it is about the easiest fabricated evidence.

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