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arachnophilia

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Message 23 of 377 (612211)
04-13-2011 8:39 PM

Reply to: Message 21 by slevesque
04-13-2011 8:33 PM

slevesque writes:

But the 'single designer' hypothesis does not come intrisincally from ID, it comes from other areas of the IDers life.

yes, generally, (christian) church. a polytheist would have little trouble accepting multiple designers.

(and stop equivocating creationism and ID, we both know they are not the same thing)

you might want to ask a creationist about that.

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Message 28 of 377 (612216)
04-13-2011 8:59 PM

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04-13-2011 8:46 PM

slevesque writes:

It's a matter of all creationists are IDer, but not all IDers are creationist. This simple fact should be enough to show that the two aren't the same.

It's just like a square is a Rhomb, bu a Rhomb isn't necessarily a square (what a strange word. Rhomb, just looked it up lol)

okay.

please define your terms. what is a "creationist" and what is an "IDer"?

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Message 60 of 377 (612292)
04-14-2011 2:42 PM

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04-14-2011 1:55 PM

slevesque writes:

Behe believes in the fact of evolution (nested hierarchy, fossil record, etc.) but not on the Neo-Darwinian mechanism.

He instead proposes directed evolution as the mechanism through which things evolved.

You don,t get any more theist evolutionist then that ...

no, that's not right either. my understanding of the matter is that behe believes entirely in the modern theory of evolution, including all of the darwinian mechanisms, common descent, etc. he just holds that there are some special exceptions which cannot be explained by those mechanisms. he does not believe in directed evolution in the way that a theistic evolutionist would, except in a certain small regard as some direction is obviously needed to construct his irreducibly complex structures.

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Message 61 of 377 (612293)
04-14-2011 2:45 PM

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04-14-2011 1:55 PM

jar writes:

And as I said, the Creationists will call themselves anything that they think will get around the SCOTUS.

let me play devil's advocate here for a second.

ID has already been ruled as "the same as creationism". why stick to the name "ID"?

Edited by arachnophilia, : typos, even in short messages!

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