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PaulK Member Posts: 17826 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Apparently Fundis value the following:
1. Commandment one of the Ten Commandments, i.e. to love the Biblical god, Jehovah with all your heart soul and mind. (somewhere in Exodus 20 and confirmed by Jesus Matthew 22:37
Apparently Buz doesn't love Yahweh, the God of the Bible enough to get His name right.
2. The exclusive Christian fundamental that Jesus taught of loving one's enemy, doing good to those who despitefully use you and leaving the vengeance up to the Biblical god, Jehovah. Matthew 5:44
Apparently slandering people you don't like is allowed. See any of Buz's attacks on Islam or Obama. But maybe Buz doesn't see them as his enemies - certainly many of those he attacks have done him no wrong. But I hardly think that that is an intended loophole in the commandment.The nearest Buz seems to get is glorying in the genocides he WANTS God to commit.
3. Evangelizing the population with the gospel of Jesus Christ, messiah and savior. Mark 16:15
I don't see much of that in Buzsaw's posts. Evangelizing people with the word of Buzsaw maybe.
4. Attending regularly the assemblies of Christian believers. Hebrews 10:25
I can't say much about that - although I'd have to question the Christianity of any Church that agrees with Buz's beliefs.
5. Earnest regular study the Bible. II 2:15
Skimming the Bible for bits to take out of context and misrepresent doesn't count. So we can say that Buz DEFINITELY fails that one.
6. Supporting/blessing the messianic nation Israel according to the Abrahamic covenant and messianic prophecies. Genesis 12:3
This seems to mean mindlessly supporting Israel no matter what the Israelis do. OK Buz does that, but it doesn't seem exactly loving. Nor is it what Genesis 12:3 says - it's not a command to anyone, it is a promise FROM God, saying what God will do. Apparently Buz feels that God isn't up to the job of blessing Abraham's descendants so it is up to Christians to support State terrorism and racial hatred for Him. That doesn't exactly seem Christian to me.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3483 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Over 75 posts down and you still haven't shown us how New Testament Fundi Christians have blessed atheists, Roman Catholics and Others.
How did they bless the Native Americans by taking their land?How did they contribute to the prosperity of what became the United States? quote:Jesus was not the first to teach 'Love Your Enemy' quote:Studying one's religion is not unique. If the Christian Fundi's actually did study the Bible earnestly with the intent to learn and understand, they would know that the so called fundamentals you listed, aside from the love your enemy one, are useless in conferring prosperity or happiness on a nation. quote:I don't see that Christianity has always been supportive of the Jewish Nation. Pogroms Against Jews As you have been asked several times and have still failed to do, please provide evidence that NT Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics and Others. Show that fundamentals unique to the NT actually played a part in conferring prosperity or happiness on a nation. You've made general statements. Now it is time to get specific and provide specific evidence; otherwise you're just wasting time and space.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
ZenMonkey writes:
And what exactly ARE these fundamentals that you keep going on about? Please name for me one exclusively "Fundamentalist" moral trait or principle that has contributed to increase in life expectancy, income, or education level, to name but a few.Buz then writes:
Except of course that NONE of those contribute even the slightest to "life expectancy, income, or education level, to name but a few". Would you mind providing some actual examples?
Hi Zen. Good question. I can cite more than one. 1. Commandment one of the Ten Commandments, i.e. to love the Biblical god, Jehovah with all your heart soul and mind. (somewhere in Exodus 20 and confirmed by Jesus Matthew 22:372. The exclusive Christian fundamental that Jesus taught of loving one's enemy, doing good to those who despitefully use you and leaving the vengeance up to the Biblical god, Jehovah. Matthew 5:44 3. Evangelizing the population with the gospel of Jesus Christ, messiah and savior. Mark 16:15 4. Attending regularly the assemblies of Christian believers. Hebrews 10:25 5. Earnest regular study the Bible. II 2:15 6. Supporting/blessing the messianic nation Israel according to the Abrahamic covenant and messianic prophecies. Genesis 12:3 Those are a few that come to mind and I'm sure there are others.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: How do "New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others"? Evidence Buz, where is the evidence? AbE: Were the Puritans Fundamentalists Buz? The Puritans held to many important fundamentals of the NT. However they were not fundamentalist in some respect. Their aspirations were a Puritan theocracy, imposing their Puritanism upon the citizenry. They were, in a sense, tyrannical, executing some who did not adhere to their Puritanism. In short, they were more Puritan than they were Biblically fundamentalist. The Biblical funamentals that they did promote were a factor in getting America going in the right direction. Thankfully, wiser minds prevailed to eventually weed out the bad aspects of Puritanism for the Colonies. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: jar writes: How do "New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others"? Evidence Buz, where is the evidence? AbE: Were the Puritans Fundamentalists Buz? The Puritans held to many important fundamentals of the NT. However they were not fundamentalist in some respect. Their aspirations were a Puritan theocracy, imposing their Puritanism upon the citizenry. They were, in a sense, tyrannical, executing some who did not adhere to their Puritanism. In short, they were more Puritan than they were Biblically fundamentalist. The Biblical funamentals that they did promote were a factor in getting America going in the right direction. Thankfully, wiser minds prevailed to eventually weed out the bad aspects of Puritanism for the Colonies. So they were not Fundamentalists. One down. The question remains: How do "New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others"? Evidence Buz, where is the evidence? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
That sounds like the "no true fundie" fallacy. In short, they were more Puritan than they were Biblically fundamentalist. And if you define "fundie" as only those who did contribute to the blessings in America, your argument is circular.
Buzsaw writes:
From what we've seen in other threads, those wiser minds were mostly deists. Thankfully, wiser minds prevailed to eventually weed out the bad aspects of Puritanism for the Colonies. If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes:
So they were not Fundamentalists. One down. Again, some aspects of Puritans were not Biblically fundamental, but the ones which were Biblical fundamental headed the America in the right direction. Some of the Biblical fundamentals of them were significant improvements over those of Anglicans and RC. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: jar writes:
So they were not Fundamentalists. One down. Again, some aspects of Puritans were not Biblically fundamental, but the ones which were Biblical fundamental headed the America in the right direction. Some of the Biblical fundamentals of them were significant improvements over those of Anglicans and RC. And yet again you avoid answering teh questions Buz. The question remains: How do "New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others"? Evidence Buz, where is the evidence? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Since I'm the one being required to provide evidence, and considering how little time I have to be on line, don't expect a lot of fast responses. I'm slowing my input to this thread down. It takes research time etc to provide the amount of evidence being demanded from me.
This is the Coffee House, where aspects of the supernatural will be a factor. Case in point: nations supportive to Israel and those against Israel. Blessings are promised by the Biblical god, Jehovah on nations supportive to Israel. The causations happen to be, in part, historical and in part supernatural. Historically, nations against Israel have not been free and prosperous. Notice I said free as well as prosperous. Some have been fairly prosperous at times, but not necessarily free, Nazi Germany, for example. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: the Biblical god, Jehovah the god of the bible is named יהוה, not "jehovah".
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
arachnophilia writes: Buzsaw writes: the Biblical god, Jehovah the god of the bible is named יהוה, not "jehovah". In the US we speak and translate into English.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: arachnophilia writes: Buzsaw writes: the Biblical god, Jehovah the god of the bible is named יהוה, not "jehovah". In the US we speak and translate into English. that's great buz, but "jehovah" is not the english version of יהוה.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: arachnophilia writes: Buzsaw writes: the Biblical god, Jehovah the god of the bible is named יהוה, not "jehovah". In the US we speak and translate into English. The question remains: How do "New Testament Fundi Christians Bless Atheists, Roman Catholics And Others"? Evidence Buz, where is the evidence? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
arachnophilia writes: Buzsaw writes: arachnophilia writes: Buzsaw writes: the Biblical god, Jehovah the god of the bible is named יהוה, not "jehovah". In the US we speak and translate into English. that's great buz, but "jehovah" is not the english version of יהוה. It's your notion against nearly all of the scholared translators who would not agree with you, according to their translations. Regardless, this is not the topic of this thread. I don't wish to debate it with your and I hope you will leave off of it.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1369 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: It's your notion against nearly all of the scholared translators who would not agree with you, according to their translations. you might want to check with some scholars on that one.
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