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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz tends to forget that Jesus would be definitely called a Socialist if not a Communist.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: Buz tends to forget that Jesus would be definitely called a Socialist if not a Communist. The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory. It was totally voluntary and applied only to individuals, his little group of apostles and later to churches. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Buzsaw writes: jar writes: Buz tends to forget that Jesus would be definitely called a Socialist if not a Communist. The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory. It was totally voluntary and applied only to individuals, his little group of apostles and later to churches. Matthew 5:42 writes: Sometimes I wonder if this means more than just the church and, if so, if I am expected to literally give to all who ask.
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: From PROTESTANT oppression. And they had a miserable time of it in the early years, saved only by the pagan native inhabitants.
quote: Hitler has been gone for more than 60 years. And we should not forget the toxic legacy of Christian anti-semitism that helped enable the Holocaust. Nor the opposition to him in Western Europe either.Will you claim that Britain is a fundamentalist nation now, for successfully standing against Hitler ? quote: That is - to put it simply - crap. I'm amazed that you would post this on the day in which a French law banning full face veils went into effect ! And if all you mean is that European nations have democratically elected governments following policies you don't like and allow Muslims to worship freely then you are objecting TO freedom.
quote: Oh no ! That proves that the Founders must all have been secret Fundamentalist conspirators who lied about their own beliefs and principles - the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are all a massive fraud ! You would have to be mad to believe all that. That does not change the facts. Franklin was a Deist. Jefferson was so liberal a Christian that - despite his reverence for the teachings attributed to Jesus - he compared the rest of the Bible to a "dunghill". Washington refused to participate in Communion, a rite supposedly commanded by Jesus himself. Thomas Paine is another deist and freethinker and an opponent of Christianity.
quote: And therefore history must be wrong and Spain was not a rich and powerful nation despite all that ? Far from refuting my point, you have only emphasised it.
quote: Like what ? And how have they added to liberty ?
quote: I agree with that. My point is that all too many Fundamentalist Christians do not.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
fearandloathing writes: I wonder how blessed the native Americans feel? Tell me how Fundy christians have helped them? Good question. When I was young my dad leased a ranch in Wyoming on the Indian reservation. I grew up with and near two Native American reservations. My family lived among one tribe for some years. Back then the government gave them welfare and they received significant oil royalties. They had it made, but the freebies ruined them. All most of them did was drink, get in auto wrecks, fights and other trouble. Our church had a mission ministry among them. The ones who converted to fundi Christianity cleaned up their act. Nearly all of the churches among them were RC. For the most part their religion amounted to a conglomeration of RC and pagan. There was a fundi Christian Native American evangelist who would come to the reservations to minister. My dad gave him a late model Buick and other support to him and his evangelistic family. The Native Americans who were industrious had it made with all of the perks plus their ranches or businesses. Some were rich. Unlike some of these Western tribes, tribes like the Senecas here in upstate NY fared better because they didn't get all of the government hand out. They were known for steeplejacks etc due to their agility. I know one who is a great welder. Many of them live in nice homes, compared to most Western reservations. Before the founders came to America, the pagan natives were very warlike, keeping one another at bay etc. They often applied torture, brutality and fear tactics in their cultures. Imo, the North American Native Americans, by and large have fared better than pre-occupation of the white man. However it was a mistake for us to consign them to reservations rather than let them assimilate and earn their own living. As for breaking the treaties, LOL. The government has a very bad track record on that count with all Americans. A good example is when, by the stroke of the pen, our promissory silver certificate notes promising exchange of the note for silver, for which it represented were rescinded. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I am sure there would be native Americans who would see things different, but you know as well as I that its hard to get every one to agree on simple things, let alone on the tough stuff like how USA and its founding fathers treated Natives.
I see the Christian churches doing good for the community locally. Many of them have formed a group, Allied Churches of Alamance county. They run a homeless shelter/ soup kitchen, donate to loaves and fishes food bank, provide drivers for meals on wheels,and probably many more. These programs don't care who you are, they are available to anyone who needs them. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: jar writes: Buz tends to forget that Jesus would be definitely called a Socialist if not a Communist. The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory. It was totally voluntary and applied only to individuals, his little group of apostles and later to churches. HUH? As if not being governmental makes a difference? And voluntary? Hardly. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Governments stepped in to feed the hungry, etc. only after the New Testament Fundie Christians failed to do it. The fact is that you rely on atheists, Roman Catholics, etc. to help you to do what Jesus called on you to to. The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory. If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Much of our laws evolved from English Common Law and from the Ten Commandments before that. Maybe you can provide some evidence for this. Thomas Jefferson was quite convinced that this was not true. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ringo writes: Buzsaw writes:
Governments stepped in to feed the hungry, etc. only after the New Testament Fundie Christians failed to do it. The fact is that you rely on atheists, Roman Catholics, etc. to help you to do what Jesus called on you to to. The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory. In Jesus's day? No. I'm not denying that non-fundi groups do not help these days. I'm talking by and large, historically. Christian fundi nations have faired better by and large with more freedom and prosperity etc. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: ringo writes: Buzsaw writes:
Governments stepped in to feed the hungry, etc. only after the New Testament Fundie Christians failed to do it. The fact is that you rely on atheists, Roman Catholics, etc. to help you to do what Jesus called on you to to. The difference is that Jesus's sharing agenda had nothing to do with government, nor was it obligatory. In Jesus's day? No. I'm not denying that non-fundi groups do not help these days. I'm talking by and large, historically. Christian fundi nations have faired better by and large with more freedom and prosperity etc. Evidence Buz, evidence. As usual you present no such evidence. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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frako Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I'm not denying that non-fundi groups do not help these days. I'm talking by and large, historically. Christian fundi nations have faired better by and large with more freedom and prosperity etc. Umm like say Europe did soooo much better then the Muslim nations during Europes dark ages you know the time where the muslim nations where the last beacons of progress where their art, science and education prospered and Europes say medical knowledge plummeted to repent and the sickness will leave you if god wills it. And in case if you are asking yea Muslims where doing grate and had lots of advancements during those times then more and more radical wives of the quoran where adopted and they ended up in the bronze age tough ts the 21st century. If creationist or other radical wives where to drastically take over any country it would not take long for that country to revert its progress and go back to the bronze age.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I'm not denying that non-fundi groups do not help these days. I'm talking by and large, historically. Then, again, you are talking out your ass. The NON-fundy churches were the ones, in the United States for sure, that did the bulk of the charity work back before Franklin Roosevelt. You hardly ever see "St. Vitus's Pentecostal Holiness Hospital." Methodist? Yup. Presbyterian? Check. Catholic? Lots of 'em. You are Making Stuff Up, Buz. Edited by Coragyps, : fix tag
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Read what I wrote:
In Jesus's day? No. quote: AFTER the New Testament Fundie Christians had failed to take care of the poor for centuries, government stepped in only in the past few generations. Don't pretend that that's a bad thing.
Buzsaw writes:
I gave you examples of groups of people who left your "fundie nation" to find more freedom in our "Catholic nation". Christian fundi nations have faired better by and large with more freedom and prosperity etc. If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar, you post short bare assertion after bare assertion. Get off my back.
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