Ray Comfort on The Atheist Experience

Doesn't matter facts show she is wrong. Beliefs are not correct just because someone believes them. All beliefs are not equal.

Yet the fact remains that several major Protestant denominations include a Mass as a major sacrament.

A Higgs boson inadvertently ventures into a church. Noticing the error it turns to walk out when a voice shouts from the alter, "Wait! Don't go! We can't have mass without you!"

OK I didn't know they used the term "Mass, " but Luther rejected the idea of transubstantiation for consubstantiation so it isn't the same thing, and the vast majority of Protestant churches do not use the term "Mass.".Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

OK you forced me to look up "Higgs boson." I'll never be able to grasp this stuff but this probably comes as close as anything ever will to making sense to me.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The fact remains that Anglicans and Lutherans and many Methodists all celebrate Mass and they along with the others mentioned are Protestant denominations.

Sure, you can play with words and confuse things, but their "Mass" is not the Catholic Mass. Just as your "Christianity" is not the real Christianity.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No shit, that would be because umm THEIR NOT CATHOLIC.It would be really stupid for Lutherans to have a Catholic mass.

The point, dear dear Theodoric, is that the word "Mass" usually refers to the Catholic Mass, and I hadn'e known before that some Protestant churches also use that term, but since they do it has to be said that it is not the same "Mass" that the Reformers objected to. That is, it is misleading to say that Protestant churches ALSO have the Mass because it is not the same Mass.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The main differences all seem to be doctrinal. Ideas about mass/communion. Not the sacrament itself.

Yes it's doctrinal. Or it's AT LEAST doctrinal since I don't know about other likely differences in how the service is conducted.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

As I said I’ve observed both and there are no major differences. The big differences - including the bit about Jesus being sacrificed over and over again are just ideas about what it means. (And I will point out that I had to research that myself because you wouldn’t or couldn’t explain it)So there is no real objection to the Catholic mass as such. The objection is to Catholic ideas about it.

Yes, for you that is apparently trivial, but for Christians doctrine is of utmost importance. Catholic doctrine also condemnzs the Protestant doctrine of salvation by faith alone, among a long iist of other anathemas against Protestantism. This is doctrine, it's all-important.

It’s a matter of truth. If you say that you object to the Catholic mass when you mean that you object to Catholic ideas about mass you are not telling the truth.
and I would say that the difference between Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation is trivial. And from a truly Christian perspective it would be, too.

What am I "wrong" about? You think you can rewrite history or what? I'm simply trying to get across the position of the Protestant Reformation. Maybe I'm not doing the best job of that but you certainly cannot rewrite what the Reformation actually said and churches that follow the Reformers believe and do. What's your point? It's silly.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.