Ray Comfort on The Atheist Experience

Many people have given their lives for a multitude of stupid pointless reasons. It means nothing.

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The Catholic stuff does go too far but you are including all of Christianity and your view is so far from our view of it there's just nothing to say.
  —Faith

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Oh yeh?Then you'll be surprised to hear that at every Christian mass several times a day all across the world you Christians get on your knees and eat Christ's flesh and drink his blood - in memory of his death an crucifixion. It's horrific. If it was invented today, it would be outlawed.

OK, I see your point. What threw me off was that word...pointless. This is why I think that acknowledgment of the Source is more important than simply doing the content. Think of the early Christians. Were they likely extreme proselytes? Did they actively attempt to convert others? It certainly is much riskier to attempt to do such a thing in a hostile culture. Now...we have several questions to consider. First, do you see any evidence that the early Christians were extreme proselytes> If so, why? Second, if they merely kept to themselves and attempted to live out the message by helping their neighbors, would this be why Christianity spread slowly and uneventfully before Constantine and also through fear of the hostile culture? Finally, do you see the establishment of Christianity as stae religion and state policy a license for the evil of the dominant culture to *use* Christianity for nefarious ends?

Sorry, you say stuff like the above but never actually explain why it is important to acknowledge the source.If Satan says take this medicine and it will cure your inability to know what is good and bad and the medicine works does it matter that the source was Satan?AbE: More than the Jews since Jews do not proselytize. Sure. The message really offered few reasons to adopt. You yourself have said that to live Jesus message is not an attractive alternative. Not exactly. A State Religion carries out State Policies. Those policies can be good or bad. Christianity did many horrific things but seldom nefarious since they were legal by definition. Whether they were wicked depends on the point of view of the person judging.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

It would matter only in that the source I listened to defied the source that commanded me not to do it. Unless that is all meant to be part of the plot twist.If satan says to be inclusive and God says that truth is exclusive, would I do well to listen to satan?

Stop and think. We have been through this many times.If you do not have the capability to know right from wrong you do not have the ability to even understand the concept of "obey". You test the content Phat and in the Bible Jesus says to be inclusive. Sure other places have the author claiming exclusivity but in what is actually written both Jesus promotes being inclusive.

I'm going to test your theory. I suspect that you simply mentally highlighted the parts about inclusion because you support inclusion. Jesus also had several exclusive truth claims. When Satan tempted Him in the wilderness, Satan urged Him to simply do his best, feed himself, and step into authority over the kingdoms of the world. Jesus responded by citing that obedience to His Father and the scripture took precedence over what He may have personally wanted. Of course, you have a point in that Eve could not have possibly known how to do that. So in that sense, the Fall was foreknown.

There is no "fall" in Genesis 2&3! Period. Read what is written. Far from a fall God says that the humans became more like him.

So do you believe that when a child grows up and leaves home they throw dad away? (In a metaphorical sense.) Do they become their own person rather than a child obeying a parent? If so, is this what you mean when you tell us to throw God away? That we simply use our own knowledge of right and wrong and make our own decisions rather than forever living under dad's rules?

Catholics do mass, Christians do not. and in fact we consider it to be a blasphemy. We do take communion, however, in memory of his sacrifice for our sins. And it is also emblematic of us partaking of his nature.Some people took it literally back at the beginning too and would have outlawed it if they could.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Nonsense Faith. Even Protestant Christian churches have mass. There is even a Rite of Communion.From the Book of Common Prayer (interestingly even older than the KJV).

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And we offer our sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving to you, O Lord of all; presenting to you, from your creation, this bread and this wine. We pray you, gracious God, to send your Holy Spirit upon these gifts that they may be the Sacrament of the Body of Christ and his Blood of the new Covenant.

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Christians don't do Mass, it's a completely Catholic thing.

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Christians don't do Mass, it's a completely Catholic thing.

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My memory must be going bad, because I had to investigate the "mass" issue to see what the difference was between that and Protestant practice. I remember doing this before I think (having to google to see what the difference is).I admit I had little idea (no idea except I now remember a bit after investigating) there was a difference between Catholic and Protestant terminology.(It is my fault, and I should have paid more attention to the differences).QUESTION TIME:Do you have any examples of ancient practice WHICH SHOWS THE DEBATE BETWEEN CATHOLIC-ESQUE PRACTICES AND NON-CATHOLIC "Christian" VIEWS?(I feel bad for asking, by my memory is blank, and I don't feel like picking it too hard)(My fault)

Garbage. Catholics are Christians and all Christians have mass.

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Mass is the main eucharistic liturgical service in many forms of Western Christianity. The term Mass is commonly used in the Roman Catholic[1] and Anglican churches,[2] as well as in some Lutheran,[3] Methodist,[4][5] Western Rite Orthodox, and Old Catholic churches.
Other Christian denominations may employ terms such as Divine Service or worship service (and often just "service"), rather than the word Mass.[6] For the celebration of the Eucharist in Eastern Christianity, including Eastern Catholic Churches, other terms such as Divine Liturgy, Holy Qurbana, and Badarak are typically used instead.

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Exactly.

Mass is a service in which Christ is sacrificed over and over, and Protestants consider it to be blasphemous. As a priest Luther found himself scared to death to perform such a feat as to invoke the living God, change the wafer into the living Christ, which is what Mass does. I don't know why there is any confusion about this at all because it's historically the case that Mass is a Catholic practice rejected by Protestants. Communion in the Protestant churches is not Mass.