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Brad McFall
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Message 27 of 146 (136608)
08-24-2004 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by MrHambre
08-24-2004 1:27 PM


Re: The Shell Game Continues-come on down
I think I have concluded it is due to a need to use more words like, "adherence", "coherenence" and "inherence". I am curious to realize if these terms for point sets can be directly related in Kantianisms as Cantor DID try to explicity offer the world SOMETHING that he had thought Kant meant to have available in the life sciences that was already evident in the dead sciences.

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Brad McFall
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Message 60 of 146 (137616)
08-28-2004 11:46 AM
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08-25-2004 6:26 AM


YIPEE
The reason would be that HISTORY and GEOGRAPHY are being worked against each other as to EXPLORATION by LIFE. Again this only shows that life is, not that nature knows no design. A detailed discussion of adaptation would have to preceed however.
Inference of the LACK and people who lack inferences are not the same somas.
I DO TRY to figure out how science could "make" the organic organization but I DO think that contra Provine we might indeed be in posssesion of ideas on the LIMITS TO SELECTIVE ADVANTAGE that might COINCIDENTALLY PERMIT a technology to arise able to form make some organism functionality. But unless it clearly makes anything imagined biologically (future of DNA computers say) then it will continue to be possible to infer from man's made adapatation to nature's resigniation of dominion,,,,, a GOD beyond. I hope to give to some discussion of Hidden Markov CHAINS relative to the Hardy-Weinberg CONTINUM in this future passage through our known understandings in science so as to allow for ID Man's clear thought to come through once more.
Perhaps it is not time toMaterials & Methods
We may derive hierarchical structure from our array of basic qualities, primary activites, and theoretical concepts. We already have the concept of structure, and this is only a particular example. But, being so, it requires further specification to derive it. It's basic content is scale being embodied by entities, some including others as parts. I feel that a very important other ingredient in this concept, however, is aesthetic judgement, another of our ways of interacting with the world. We can take hierarchical structure to be an example of significant form, of what Gruber (1979) calls an "image of wide scope." We are fascinated by its general applicability, by the number of transformations of it that we are confronted with with (for example, the tree of life or phylogeny, the chain of command, complex fugal structure in music, cascading phenomena in all realms - all topologically similar). It has power and excerts facination.""Evolving Hierarchical Systems" p11 Stanley N. Salthe
"By passing to the first derivative of the function, relating the genetically controlled phenotypic quantity to the indpendent external variable, new and interesting relations emerge, which are of importance in the analysis of genic action. The present paper presents data on the effects of temperature upon wing size, and includes an analysis of genic effects in terms of the first derivatives of wing size with repsect to temperature. In this paper it is proposed to use the term thermophene for such derivatives, in accoracne with an earlier suggestion (Hersh, '30a)." The Journal of Experimental Zoology Vol. 61, No.2 February , 1932 p223
So while Georgi had clearly established phenomenologically the existence of sequences of heterogeneous durations biologically he stated both
"As a matter of fact, the series (1) is an expression of the regularity that hierarchic structures have essentially different lifetimes. However, these structural types arenot general for all bio-systems."so We now attempt to scale the macrokinetics of genic action in description of the fly's character.
Driver, "For obtaining some understanding f the heterosis-like effect, it would be seem that a knoweldge of the temperature realtions is a necessary condition. The study of the changes in the size of the wing over the temperature range allows for the respecpetive contribuition of the partental types to be analyzed and related to each other. As indicated above, the general character of the reaction, both as to magnitude and as to relation to temperaturem, is more like that of the long-winged than the vestigial-winged type, but the relation to temperature as give by r is reduced in the heterozygotes as compared to the homozygotes- a consequence of participation of the recessive gene in the wing-producing reaction when in heterozygous condition. The method employed bgrings out very forcibly that the critical point to attend to in a study of genic action is not merely the magnitude of some measureable character, but thge changes in such phenotypic quantities studied in relation to a controllable varibale."p234
Quote of Monod-"consequence""A living system is constanly fighting against, rather than relying upon, thermodynamic equilibration. The thermodynamic significance of specific cellular control systems preciesely is that they successfully circumvent thermodynamic equilibration (until the organism dies, at least)...Still, the arbitrariness, chemically speaking, of certain allosteric effects appears almost shocking at first sight, but it is this very arbitrariness which confers upon them a unique physiological significance, and the biological interpretation of the apparent paradox is obvious. The specific strucutre of any enzyme-protein is of course a pure product of selection, necessarily limited, however, by the structure and chemical properties of the actual reactants. No selective pressure, however strong, could build an enzyme able to activate a chemically impossible reaction. In the construction of an allosteric protein this limitation is abolished, since the effector does not react or interact directly with the substrates or products of the reaction but only with the protein itself...By using certain proteins not only as catalysts or transporters but as molecular reveivers and transducers of chemical signals, freedom is gained from otherwise insuperable chemical constraints, allowing selection to develop and interconnect the immensely complex circiutry of living organisms."8th day book p 554.

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