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frako
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Message 46 of 64 (610130)
03-26-2011 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
03-26-2011 2:52 PM


Re: May Event
No some quack counted used the bible to figure the date out forgot if this is the guy who calculated the date based on the pigs from a story in the bible or the one that calculated that the earth will be 7000 years old then. both total lols tough the gu has quite a large number of believers that think the rapture starts on the 21 first of may and then 5 months of torment after that the end of the world for us atheists and those who believe in the wrong gods you know the gods that where made up.

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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 64 (610131)
03-26-2011 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by jar
03-26-2011 4:08 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
jar writes:
It is really pretty funny when you look at some of the so called prophecies (more rightly called jokes).
For example consider "...rise of Islamic nations allied with Russia"
I wonder if they know they are allied with Russia?
All of the 1967 Six Day War Islamic Nations who vowed to drive Israel into the sea were armed by Russian tanks, planes and other armament. They and Russia have a common hostility towards Israel. All of Islam is, of course anti-Israel.
Ezekiel 38 names nations north of Israel and a number of Islamic nations which will comprise the end time Armageddon invasion of the nation Israel after it has been regathered from the nations and is flourishing.
All nations are now demanding the dividing of Israel's scriptural rightful land, especially Jerusalem. Thus the wrath of Jehovah who promised Abraham Isaac and Jacob his blessing on nations blessing Israel and cursings upon nations cursing Israel. That's the way it's played out historically.
Japan was allied with the Holocaust perpetrators in WWII, but all nations are now complicit in dividing Israel's/Jehovah's promised messianic relatively tiny parcel of land.
Having studied the prophecies, 60 plus years ago, I have been aware for decades of how this would play out. The named nations are doing the playing out of it as as written and as we have observed. As the nations align against Israel, so come the cursings via ever escalating catastrophe, wars, unrest and oppression.
God bless America isn't working out for the US of A, any more than what was embossed on the German WWII army's belt buckles, "Gott Mit Uns" (God bless us)

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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jar
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Message 48 of 64 (610133)
03-26-2011 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
03-26-2011 6:10 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Buzsaw writes:
jar writes:
It is really pretty funny when you look at some of the so called prophecies (more rightly called jokes).
For example consider "...rise of Islamic nations allied with Russia"
I wonder if they know they are allied with Russia?
All of the 1967 Six Day War Islamic Nations who vowed to drive Israel into the sea were armed by Russian tanks, planes and other armament. They and Russia have a common hostility towards Israel. All of Islam is, of course anti-Israel.
1967? Russia was just part of the Soviet Union in 1967. Not one of those nations is allied with Russia today and the Soviet Union does not even exist. Sheesh Buz, do you really not see just how stupid a statement that is?
Buzsaw writes:
Ezekiel 38 names nations north of Israel and a number of Islamic nations which will comprise the end time Armageddon invasion of the nation Israel after it has been regathered from the nations and is flourishing.
Really? You mean like Gog and Magog and Persia and Cush and Meshek and Tubal? They were Islamic nations? They are allied with Russia and threatening Israel? Sheesh Buz, do you really not see just how stupid a statement that is?
Buzsaw writes:
All nations are now demanding the dividing of Israel's scriptural rightful land, especially Jerusalem. Thus the wrath of Jehovah who promised Abraham Isaac and Jacob his blessing on nations blessing Israel and cursings upon nations cursing Israel. That's the way it's played out historically.
All nations? Now did you say "Providentially, what our nation has done, militarily and otherwise is often beneficial to the preservation of Israel, the messianic coming kingdom of God."?
Buzsaw writes:
Japan was allied with the Holocaust perpetrators in WWII, but all nations are now complicit in dividing Israel's/Jehovah's promised messianic relatively tiny parcel of land.
Having studied the prophecies, 60 plus years ago, I have been aware for decades of how this would play out. The named nations are doing the playing out of it as as written and as we have observed. As the nations align against Israel, so come the cursings via ever escalating catastrophe, wars, unrest and oppression.
God bless America isn't working out for the US of A, any more than what was embossed on the German WWII army's belt buckles, "Gott Mit Uns" (God bless us)
I don't believe you have ever even read the Bible or would know a prophecy if it bit you in your ass. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for Gog and Magog and Persia and Cush and Meshek and Tubal.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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bluescat48
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Message 49 of 64 (610134)
03-26-2011 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
03-26-2011 6:10 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
a number of Islamic nations which will comprise the end time Armageddon invasion of the nation Israel
Where int the Bible is Islam mentioned? I have read it numerous times and have yet to see Islam anywhere.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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subbie
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Message 50 of 64 (610135)
03-26-2011 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by jar
03-26-2011 4:08 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
A bottomless pit of delusion. I'm a bit sad for him, but not sad enough to not see the humor in it. He's always good for a chuckle.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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jar
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Message 51 of 64 (610136)
03-26-2011 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by subbie
03-26-2011 6:41 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
subbie writes:
A bottomless pit of delusion. I'm a bit sad for him, but not sad enough to not see the humor in it. He's always good for a chuckle.
You should be scared to death. In the US we have crazies like Michele Bachmann thinking about running for President and there are actually crazy folk in the US that have already elected her to Congress. She's one of those that gets orders straight from God.
quote:
"If I felt that's what the Lord was calling me to do, I would do it," she answered. "When I have sensed that the Lord is calling me to do something, I've said yes to it. But I will not seek a higher office if God is not calling me to do it. That's really my standard."
"If I am called to serve in that realm I would serve," she concluded, "but if I am not called, I wouldn't do it."
The last thing the world needs is some nut job that does what God tells them to do and has the "Button".

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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subbie
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Message 52 of 64 (610138)
03-26-2011 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by jar
03-26-2011 6:53 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Michele Bachmann doesn't have any more chance of getting elected President than I do. (Fingers crossed.) I used to live in the district that she represents, and it includes what is widely considered as the most inbred county in the state, if not in the upper midwest. It ain't agonna happen.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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GDR
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Message 53 of 64 (610139)
03-26-2011 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
03-26-2011 6:10 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Buzsaw writes:
All of the 1967 Six Day War Islamic Nations who vowed to drive Israel into the sea were armed by Russian tanks, planes and other armament. They and Russia have a common hostility towards Israel. All of Islam is, of course anti-Israel.
Ezekiel 38 names nations north of Israel and a number of Islamic nations which will comprise the end time Armageddon invasion of the nation Israel after it has been regathered from the nations and is flourishing.
All nations are now demanding the dividing of Israel's scriptural rightful land, especially Jerusalem. Thus the wrath of Jehovah who promised Abraham Isaac and Jacob his blessing on nations blessing Israel and cursings upon nations cursing Israel. That's the way it's played out historically.
Japan was allied with the Holocaust perpetrators in WWII, but all nations are now complicit in dividing Israel's/Jehovah's promised messianic relatively tiny parcel of land.
Having studied the prophecies, 60 plus years ago, I have been aware for decades of how this would play out. The named nations are doing the playing out of it as as written and as we have observed. As the nations align against Israel, so come the cursings via ever escalating catastrophe, wars, unrest and oppression.
God bless America isn't working out for the US of A, any more than what was embossed on the German WWII army's belt buckles, "Gott Mit Uns" (God bless us)
Hi Buz
I really don’t like getting involved in these discussions as I know that you fervently believe what you write and are trying to serve God as best as you know how. The problem is that so do I and yet, we have some really fundamental differences. Frankly I feel that, what I view as your representation of the Christian faith can be harmful to the work that God wants to do through his church and through all of mankind.
Ezekeil 38 is prophesying that God will return to Israel, lead that nation against its enemies and establish the Jewish nation of Israel as the dominant nation. This is the theme throughout most, but not all of the OT.
Jesus came and said that this was true but that it wasn’t going to look like they all thought, which was one of the primary reasons that the establishment took issue with him.
He said that yes, God was coming, and indeed had come to establish the kingdom, but it would be a kingdom that would be for, but not of, this world. It would be a kingdom without borders and in all nations. Its weapon would be the weapons of truth, justice, love, peace, forgiveness, mercy etc. We are to use the weapons that God has given us.
The Bible is also clear that it isn’t about this world coming to an end and the guys that believe the right stuff getting whisked off into some disembodied existence somewhere else. That comes from Plato — not the Bible.
Read the last chapters of Isaiah , read Ephesians 1, and read Revelation 21. It is about God re-creating this world. It’s about God’s dimension of heaven and our earthly dimension coming together. But frankly so what, as there is nothing that we can do about that anyway. The Bible is either correct about that, as I believe, or it’s wrong. We can’t control that, but what we can control is this one part of creation that we have been given control over which is the individual lives that we have been given.
The thing that is clear is that we have been given a job to do. It is our job to be good stewards of the wonderful world created for us. It is our job to spread God’s love, (that being the all encompassing attribute of God), to the world. Instead of trying to point out who our enemies are let’s just realize that it isn’t people who are the enemies but the presence of evil, (or the absence of love however you want to put it), in the world. Instead of saying that Islam is the enemy let’s look at where we can find common ground and through word and action show them that the path of love, peace and harmony is the way to go.
Jesus is a major prophet, and often recognized as Messiah in the Islamic faith. Sure as Christians we see him as being more than that, but wouldn’t that be a good place to start. We say to Muslims that yes Jesus is a prophet and he brought a message of peace and love. They don’t have to reject their Muslim faith to do that. This has as often as not worked out with Muslims and Christians living side by side. I’m suggesting that your approach only exacerbates the problem and causes further division.
The Bible is clear that Jesus is the word of God. I think we should pay attention to what He had to say.
Edited by GDR, : typos

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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subbie
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Message 54 of 64 (610140)
03-26-2011 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by GDR
03-26-2011 7:11 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Wonderful explanation, I wish there were more Christians like you. Unfortunately, too few who share your views, especially those in the public eye, are willing to speak out against the wingnuts.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Theodoric
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Message 55 of 64 (610145)
03-26-2011 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
03-26-2011 6:10 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Japan was allied with the Holocaust perpetrators in WWII, but all nations are now complicit in dividing Israel's/Jehovah's promised messianic relatively tiny parcel of land.
Japan is in the bible too? Damn I sure missed that. What version(of all the multitudes) of the bible do you use?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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subbie
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Message 56 of 64 (610147)
03-26-2011 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Theodoric
03-26-2011 8:57 PM


Buzsaw's version
Sometimes I get the impression he uses the Mad Libs version, complete with blanks conveniently placed for filling in to suit his wingnuttery of the hour.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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ringo
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Message 57 of 64 (610162)
03-26-2011 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Buzsaw
03-26-2011 6:10 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Buzsaw writes:
Having studied the prophecies, 60 plus years ago, I have been aware for decades of how this would play out.
You seem to be stuck in a time warp 60 years ago. The ship has sailed on most of that Hal Lindsey nonsense from the 1970s. It's like the cdesign proponentsists all over again. You're just erasing "communism" and replacing it with "Islam". I half expect to see you raving about "commuslam".

If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate

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anglagard
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Message 58 of 64 (610167)
03-27-2011 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by GDR
03-26-2011 7:11 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Beautiful, please carry on for the sake of us all.
Signed - too much internal psych struggling at the moment to say anything of import, other than to recognize a great soul (as best can tell through posts).

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 59 of 64 (611783)
04-10-2011 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by fearandloathing
03-14-2011 6:06 PM


fearandloathing writes:
I participate on another site that has many different discussions. Several times I have seen where people remark that god is punishing Japan.
It would be rather convenient that he is punishing a nation that just so happens to be geographically located on the worst part of the Ring of Fire. Mighty strange coincidence!
I feel these so called Christians are misrepresenting the ones I know to be good people. Am I wrong??
Anyone who propagates a vengeful, petulant god who massacres people to get an ambiguous point across is hardly a god worth worshiping... Sooooo..... Yeah....

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 60 of 64 (611784)
04-10-2011 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by fearandloathing
03-14-2011 6:06 PM


Double-post
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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