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frako
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Message 16 of 64 (609033)
03-16-2011 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by ICANT
03-16-2011 1:25 AM


Re: Re Punishment
Now as far as Japan goes they knew they were building on a fault line for years so they have no one to blame but themselves.
Well their whole friggin island is on the faultline, and you want them to move will you be gracius enough to give them enough land to make their own country?
Good things happen to good people.
Good things happen to bad people.
Bad things happen to good people.
Bad things happen to bad people.
So what you are saying god has nothing to do with the good things and bad things that happen. All he does is Allowe thousands to die in a pointless natural disaster, even tough he could save them?

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Message 17 of 64 (609042)
03-16-2011 8:17 AM
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03-16-2011 1:25 AM


Re: Re Punishment
God has nothing to do with any of those things happening, they are a part of nature.
It's interesting to learn that the forces of nature trump the will of God.
I guess he's not so omnipotent after all.
So ... what actually makes him that much different from me?

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Message 18 of 64 (609043)
03-16-2011 8:47 AM
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03-16-2011 1:25 AM


Re: Re Punishment
ICANT writes:
When our west coast has a major quake whose fault will it be for the damages and loss of life? Those who built there as there is a known fault line there.
I live in Florida if a hurricane gets me it will be my fault because I know they come through here.
And if a meteor takes off your head, it's your fault for choosing to live on a planet where such things are known to happen.
There is no escaping the indifference of your god.
He loves you like I love a good steak.


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frako
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Message 19 of 64 (610010)
03-25-2011 2:23 PM


Well i guess 40% of Americans believe that god is a bastard and likes to hurt people.

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Message 20 of 64 (610011)
03-25-2011 2:52 PM
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03-25-2011 2:23 PM


You have to remember that the Religion Research Institute does NOT really do any research and is just another shill for the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 21 of 64 (610028)
03-25-2011 5:15 PM
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03-25-2011 2:23 PM


To many people, every bad thing that happens is a "punishment from God." There's no need for very much thought to be put into it - did something bad happen? If yes, then it was a punishment from God. There you go. Natural explanations be damned.

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Message 22 of 64 (610033)
03-25-2011 6:41 PM
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03-25-2011 5:15 PM


Rahvin writes:
To many people, every bad thing that happens is a "punishment from God." There's no need for very much thought to be put into it - did something bad happen? If yes, then it was a punishment from God. There you go. Natural explanations be damned.
Sadly the same is true for lots of good things too. I cant tell you how many times I heard somebody say that US Airways flight 1549, that went down into Hudson river, and nobody died, was a mirical....BS....The pilot did a good job, well the crew did a good job.
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frako
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Message 23 of 64 (610034)
03-25-2011 7:03 PM
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03-25-2011 6:41 PM


Sadly the same is true for lots of good things too. I cant tell you how many times I heard somebody say that US Airways flight 1549, that went down into Hudson river, and nobody died, was a mirical....BS....The pilot did a good job, well the crew did a good job.
The worst are when some disaster kills lots of people and one is found alive a few days later and all the religious nuts go god saved him he was looking out for him isn't god wonderful, firstly ignoring their OWN logic that if he saved that person he could have saved all of them and if he is fully in charge of nature he had to cause the disaster in the first place.
And secondly people are made tougher then they look and can withstand more punishment then one would think so there are bound to be some that go even beyond that norm and survive the seemingly unsurvivable. some examples at around 10 degrees Celsius one can survive 10 days without water, at 50 degrees 2 days, one Irish prisoner survived for 73 days with no food.
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Rahvin
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Message 24 of 64 (610036)
03-25-2011 7:35 PM
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03-25-2011 6:41 PM


Sadly the same is true for lots of good things too. I cant tell you how many times I heard somebody say that US Airways flight 1549, that went down into Hudson river, and nobody died, was a mirical....BS....The pilot did a good job, well the crew did a good job.
Exactly. God didn't get you a promotion, you did. God didn't save your life, that was the doctor that performed the appendectomy. God didn't save your house from a fire, that was the firefighters.
For some reason some people (at least some Christians, do other faiths do this too?) have a pathological need to attribute everything to their deity, effectively blaming teh victim for any bad occurrence, and removing the credit from people who actually deserve it.
It's the blaming the victim that gets me though. Nobody, no nation deserves an earthquake. They happen, and its tragic, but there is nothing you can do to deserve one. Rain falls on the just and the unjust alike, and claiming that bad things are punishments from God is just a way of saying "I don't need to feel bad for that person, they deserved it."

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fearandloathing
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Message 25 of 64 (610044)
03-25-2011 8:21 PM
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03-25-2011 7:03 PM


frako writes:
And secondly people are made tougher then they look and can withstand more punishment then one would think so there are bound to be some that go even beyond that norm and survive the seemingly unsurvivable. some examples at around 10 degrees Celsius one can survive 10 days without water, at 50 degrees 2 days, one Irish prisoner survived for 73 days with no food. <--- park.
This makes me think of my grandmother who lived 29 days, no food or water after her life support was stoped.
Many of people around said " it's gods plan"....I say BS.....
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Message 26 of 64 (610051)
03-25-2011 8:57 PM


Sovereign Entities
Sovereign entities, whether they be temporal earthly or celestial, are suppose to be sovereign. Sovereign entities are not suppose to be wimpy all tolerant milk toasts.
Jehovah, if he be sovereign over the Universe should be expected to call the shots, so to speak. Jehovah, according to the Bible is just that. The prophets all prophecy an apostate end time generation, somewhat like the pre-flood population, upon which the wrath of Jehovah is to fall.
It's happening, not only to Japan, but to the US of A, to Australia, to New Zealand, to Indonesia, to Haite, to Chili, etc, etc. According to the prophecies this is just the beginning of Jehovah's wrath upon planet Earth. It will continue to escalate until a domino effect global shaking will essentially level the planet's surface to that somewhat like it was before the Noaic Flood.
I've hypothesized in previous threads on how this could feasibly re-create a global atmosphere, somewhat like that of the pre-flood era which will bring on what the prophets describe, i.e. men living long lives, the lion and the lamb feeding together, etc. due to the abundance of vegetation for all forms of life etc (abe to prepare the planet for the millennial kingdom ruled by messiah Jesus from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.)
Again, you heard it first from Buzsaw who got it from the infallible Biblical record. Time will bear me out, sooner than anyone imagined could be possible. Hang on to your hats and start digging your dugouts. Few men will be left when it's all consummated, according to the prophet Isaiah (24:6) ASV
quote:
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are found guilty: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.
Nothing is impossible with Jehovah, majesty of all forces, matter an energy.
Edited by Buzsaw, : As per emboldened phrase

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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jar
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Message 27 of 64 (610055)
03-25-2011 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
03-25-2011 8:57 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
There never was a Noahic Flood or a before a Noahic Flood and you are simply repeating falsehoods and making shit up.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 28 of 64 (610057)
03-25-2011 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by fearandloathing
03-15-2011 5:58 PM


fearand loathing writes:
That is why I started this topic, I know there are some Christians on here who seem like good people and I was wondering what they thought. I really didn't expect to see the hate I have seen elsewhere, thank goodness. I didn't actually expect anyone to be able to justify these nuts actions with any relevant passages from the New Testament, although I wasn't 100% sure as my knowledge of bible is not as good as it could be.
Frankly I thought that you opened this just as a means to put down Christians. It seems however that wasn't the case. It's my faith, which I contend is scriptural, that God is pained by what happened in Japan and suffers as does all who are affected.
The only part I see God having in it, is in His working through his created people. He has given us the wisdom and the will to be able to better anticipate natural disasters so that we are better prepared, and he has given us hearts to bring aid to those that suffer.
And so there is no misuderstanding, I'm not saying that He only works through Christians.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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bluescat48
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Message 29 of 64 (610089)
03-26-2011 7:18 AM
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03-25-2011 8:57 PM


Re: Sovereign Entities
Nothing is impossible with Jehovah, majesty of all forces, matter an energy.
So then why don't we see 8.9 Richter scale quakes on the US East coast?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 30 of 64 (610090)
03-26-2011 8:07 AM
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03-26-2011 7:18 AM


Re: Earthquakes: End Time Heads Up
bluescat48 writes:
Nothing is impossible with Jehovah, majesty of all forces, matter an energy.
So then why don't we see 8.9 Richter scale quakes on the US East coast?
The most seismic areas will be hit first. Likely the planet will experience somewhat of a retraction of the tectonic plates to their pre-flood positions. According to the prophets, the islands , by and large will be no more.
Revelation 16:20 ASV
quote:
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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