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Isn't it funny how nobody even knows that there are thousands of still-burning coal seam fires, hundreds in the US alone that make city-sized areas uninhabitable......but as soon as the word "nuclear" gets brought up, we have a media feeding frenzy, and everybody brings up Chernobyl as if the plant's surrounding area is now a glassed desert right out of a Captain Planet episode?

very pretty, now go have a picnic there. I dare you.

Maybe the hysteria should be used against itself. In Message 90 you noted that: Use the hysteria! Sound the alarm! Coal Power is more RADIOACTIVE than Nuclear Power!

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- xongsmith, 5.7d

Pay my airfare and I'll provide the lunch. I hear the exclusion zone has some great scenery along some of the abandoned roads, great for a bike ride. A picnic would be just fine.

Wrong...Schmong.
None of the diatribes or clever retorts mean diddly. There are multiple nuclear meltdowns in process right now.
All proposed nuclear plants past and present are deemed fail safe. Yet here we are. It is one thing to sit back behind the safety of one's arm chair google-interwebz bubble. Yet quite another to face the realities in the very place were apologist claptrap is superfulous and flat out stupidity, ie. Japanese nuclear meltdown ground zero. I am not convinced any of these so called experts know wtf is going on.Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.Edited by 1.61803, : spelling know.

You can...you can go visit and see memorial to those who died and to those who put their life on line.Some people even live in their old houses, although I feel it is crazy to do so. Check out this link, also there is lot of other info about Chernobyl on wiki, just got to verify sources with some of it.Chernobyl Exclusion Zone - Wikipedia

You can have a picnic there. There are still thousands that work there every day. There are even guided tours of the area. And as I pointed out to you, it is only some small locations within the exclusionary zone that are still showing contamination.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

go ahead. I'll pass. Why your at it go have a swim at Bikini, and perhaps a bit of sushi in Fukashima.

I note that you didnt actually respond to a single point of my arguments, and isntead resorted to a vapid "I, with absolutely no relevant personal knowledge or qualification to make any reasoned analysis, believe that trained experts in the field know less than I do." You make spurrious claims withpout backing them up with evidence, as if any engineer would actually claim their design was immune to any and all failure.I specifically noted earlier in this thread that the Fukushima plant was designed with 7.2-7.3 quakes in mind, not a 9.0, which is orders of magnitude more powerful than any quake experienced in the region historically. What precisely do you think would survive a quake of that magnitude?You further ignore the example of coal seam fires that cause exclusion zones similar to nuclear meltdowns - and where there is exactly one current (And likely to be two in the end at Fukushima) exclusion zone from a nuclear disaster, there are thousands of hazardous coal seam fires burning even now, the oldest of which has been burning continually for an estimated 6,000 years.You, sir or madam, have no substantive argument on this subject, and are speaking from a position of ignorance and fear to the absolute exclusion of any hard data.I'll take that as a concession on all points.

I can, of course, see avoiding sushi, it is after all just bait, but why avoid either Fukashima or Bikini?The 1996 study on Bikini included the following:

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"It is safe to walk on all of the islands...The Advisory Group reaffirmed: although the residual radioactivity on islands in Bikini Atoll is still higher than on other atolls in the Marshall islands, it is not hazardous to health at the levels measured. Indeed, there are many places in the world where people have been living for generations with higher levels of radioactivity from natural sources - such as the geological surroundings and the sun - than there is now on Bikini Atoll...By all internationally agreed scientific and medical criteria...the air, the land surface, the lagoon water and the drinking water are all safe. There is no radiological risk in visiting the lagoon or the islands. The nuclear weapon tests have left practically no cesium in marine life. The cesium deposited in the lagoon was dispersed in the ocean long ago.

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"The main radiation risk would be from the food: eating locally grown produce, such as fruit, could add significant radioactivity to the body...Eating coconuts or breadfruit from Bikini Island occasionally would be no cause for concern. But eating many over a long period of time without having taken remedial measures might result in radiation doses higher than internationally agreed safety levels."

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Guess what, there is even a resort, fishing and dive operation on Bikini.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Just dont eat the locally grown food. Right?

Would it hurt so badly to just do a little research before you start typing?Radioactive isotopes decay at varying rates. High-level radioactive matter decays relatively quickly, while lower-level actinides can last for millions or billions of years. Basically, the contamination of teh area outside the Chernobyl plant proper has reduced itself significantly through natural processes, including decay and the natural dispersion of the particulate matter.The reactor core still contains hazardous levels of radioactive material and I wouldn't go into the plant ruins proper even with all of the concrete between me and the reactor, but a picnic within the exclusion zone wouldn't be more than an exotic place for lunch.Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.

Just don't eat specific local foods over an extended period or in large quantities.Just as with produce from other areas contaminated by anything such as petroleum, mercury, arsenic ...See US Superfund sites.See mercury concentration is sea food.See shellfish harvesting bans.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

See the stack shadow of any coal power plant during normal operation, no crisis or disaster or earthquake or bizarre testing required...Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.