I don't see why you think the traits you mentioned would not be "selected for"? Unless you know for sure that these individual examples will not reproduce (have children)?
Its not about not having children, its about having children. I'm a 30-something year old college educated dude with a high IQ that doesn't have any kids yet and has been with the same women for 7+ years. Down the road from me is State Park, IL where totally uneducated drug addicts with no jobs have multiple kids by multiple women. On an evolutionary standard, how can I compete with that? On a social standard, where's my incentive to work harder to support those people?
But your link doesn't seem to support your assertions.
Yeah, that's because the numbers aren't right. They're including it in Collinsville, which has the same numbers. That's really the only thing on the net I could find for State Park. But I didn't realize it was State Park Place (nobody around here adds the 'Place'). Googling that I ran across the urban dictionary entry:
quote:A small town east of St.Louis, not to be mistaken for Collinsville, IL. It is a community made up of mostly whites and hispanics, most of whom are relatively violent. You can find drug dealers, gangbangers, thieves, crackheads, racists and everything in between.
A small white ghetto near St.Louis, MO. The town consists of drug dealers, gangsters, thugs, crackheads and thieves.
State Park is actually unincorporated in Collinsville. Its just county. There's no cops besides the State Police and County Sheriff, but they hardly ever go there. Its a real shithole, I've been there. I know people who live there.
so no evidence of "totally uneducated drug addicts with no jobs have multiple kids by multiple women".
I don't know how I could evidence that. I guess you're going to have to take my word for it.
I was gonna link to some Google Maps streetviews, but it looks like the Map Car didn't go down any of the side streets:
Its a pretty small area. Since its an unincorporarted county town, it draws in the the real scumbags. But anyways, unless your doubting that areas like I mention actaully exist, its kinda beside the point if I can prove to you that this is one of them. My questions still stand.
Thanks for the article, I haven't read it yet. I've been really busy in RL lately.
Two points to bear in mind. Firstly, lower status groups have higher mortality and morbidity than higher status ones, so a slightly higher fertility rate (and it is only slight) will not necessarily lead to a shift in relative proportions in the population.
I can accept that its not necessary, but I still wonder if it will.
Secondly, not all - probably not most - of the differences in social status are genetically inheritable factors. The biggest driver of decreased fertility is higher education, and education levels have much more to do with the opportunities avaiable to you than they do with any genetically inherited intelligence.
Yes, absolutely, I never thought that it was due to genetically inheritable factors. I think its a cultural problem with the education. They don't seem to have any desire to better themselves through education and seem content with what they do have... and they're crankin' out babies like nobody's business.