Life without God

Another Ironic statement by CD through and through. CD it is no wonder you lost your wallet by the fence, that is what happens when your walking on the fenceYou really are afraid of dying arent you?Modulous is an atheist (if there is such a thing), your a pretender. Atleist try and sound like an intelligent atheistDawn Bertot

I find myself often usind word lord or god in my speach. Habbit I guess as it is as often as not in the form of GD....or things like lord look at that mess...Jesus, what the hell were you thinking ...ect. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

yeah, all us cavedivers are terrified of it... we're famous for it!

Why should the needs of the world justify such a response (was the thrust of my post)? There are others aspects to life than just the suffering of others. There's God to get to know, your family to raise, your work to be done, things to be enjoyed. I don't recall the bible demanding this level of emphasis on a single activity. Nor can I imagine you can give adequate attention to those other aspects of life if you've the suffering of others on your mind 24/7.You use this as a (part) excuse - but it was never a demand of God made on you. You seem to have usurped his idea of how you should live (which doesn't involve 24/7 intercessory prayer) with your idea of how you should live prior to your deconversion.So this isn't a valid element in your deconversion. It's a manifestation of your deconversion.- People who reckon they maintain compassion for the suffering of others 24/7 are known as liars (if they say they do it) or fools (if they attempt to do it)

Oh, the joy of Western world Christianity. There's nothing better than spending time getting to know a god that far more appreciates my time with it, than bothering to consider the four kids dying of starvation every minute. In which case I am a failed fool - but will gladly keep trying to acheive the status of fool, even if I know I'll never manage it. Far far better in my mind than your sad sociopathic attitude.Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

But that's just the inconsistency of atheism right, there is no such thing as being good for goodness sake. In the words of Cavediver, nothing is right or wrong, ''everything just IS''. With the clear consequences that this can have.Children's starving, people dying of cancer, entire villages wiped out by tsunami's. These things are neither right or wrong, they just ARE. right ?

This is curious.It's a persons heartfelt mourning over their inability to achieve the status of fool, their inability to be compassionate when compassion is called for .. that has them turn to God in the first place.Assuming this is how you were converted, when/how did you loose the desire to be cured?"Trying the best you can..." isn't at all as ambitious.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Do you mourn about the fact you are unable to empty your bank account for the sake of some of those 4 kids a minute? If God were able to move you in that direction then it would be time well spent to spend it with himYou have to invest a little to gain a lot.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Yum Yum, boy that murdered chicken was gooooodtell me does your "fool" status apply to human or does it also extend to the plate of chickens you devoured at the pubYou see thats the problem with fence walking atheits, you can see right through themYour overwhelming display of humanity is a crutch to allow you to justify your failed attempts of not believing GodDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

I don't belive in God in any practical sense. Maybe I am conflicted or just plain confused? I do belive that it is possible that "God" started the whole process before time existed as we understand it, but after T=0. big bang, he has let things develop on their own. There is no proof of this , but I cant discount it either.I do know that I try to give back, I do habitat for humanity houses. I plumb at least one a year for the last 6 years or so, since work is slow I have done a few more the last 2 years. I do it because it makes me feel good, everyone there is coming together for a common goal to help. There is a sense of fellowship that is just good, different people from many different walks of life coming together in a positive goal, putting our political and religious and racial differences aside.I don't need God to tell me it is the right thing to do. Just my opinion.

SO you're ... agnostic ? soft atheist ? In any of these cases, your approach to morality will be similar to atheists. None of this actually deals with what I said actually. If things just ARE, how can you say such and such a thing is wrong ? or right ?Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

I don't know what group I would fit into?? I guess I am ignorant as to what group I am supposed to support although I really don't like being called anything. One of the reasons I am on this forum is to learn, and to gain a better understanding of my own beliefs, they are by no means set in stone. I want people to challenge my worldviews.Right or wrong is subjective. Many people would disagree about what is moral. I base my decisions on my own Idea of what is right and wrong...on many things we would agree I am sure. On others we would probably differ. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

Fair enough, but don't take this as ''a group you are supposed to support'', because it's not about that. It is just words that we define to identify people's different worldviews. Saying that your personnal worldview is more like atheism doesn't mean you have to ''support the group''. But on those thigns that we do differ, is one of us more correct then the other ? Or are we both correct ? or are we both incorrect ?If I say that to kill retarded children is ok, and you disagree, how do we settle this ?

I don't see why not.I can listen to music for the sake of listening music, can't I? (It would be strange to do so for any other reason.) And I can do so on the basis that I have a preference for (let us say) the Goldberg Variations over (for example) the "songs" of whales, without having to believe that there is some supernatural being with a preference for Bach over Megaptera novaeangliae (or possibly vice versa); and while accepting that a humpback whale would disagree with my judgment.Now just as I prefer noises that appeal to my aesthetic sensibility, I prefer situations which appeal to my ethical sensibility. A lion will kill another lion, steal his harem, and eat their cubs to make way for his own; he does so apparently without feeling shame (nor incurring blame from the lionesses). I find that to emulate the lion is not to my taste; I do not need to add to this the proposition that it is not to God's taste. I abstain from doing so solely for the sake of not doing so, because it is amongst the things that I don't want to do.

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