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thewordofgod 
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Message 1 of 17 (604509)
02-12-2011 2:12 PM


1 Peter 3
18: For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit;
John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64: But there are some of you that do not believe." For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that would betray him.
65: And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
This verse by Peter, the only disciple to have faith before Jesus died, knew what happened to Jesus. Never once does Peter talk about Jesus visiting them in the upper room after he supposedly resurrected in his body. That's because it never happened.
Jesus always let his disciples know what to expect if he knew something about the future. Jesus had to wait until God revealed himself to one of his disciples before he could die for the sins of all people. Peter happened to be the only disciple that God revealed himself to and let Peter know that Jesus was the Christ spoken about in the prophesies. When Peter told Jesus about what God has given him, Jesus instantly knew he was on his way to death.
The first thing he did was to talk to the disciples about what was going to happen to him. He talked about his coming death and that he would send the Holy Spirit to them after he died. Everything he talked to them about was spiritual things and not the flesh. Jesus knew that all flesh was made from the dust (atoms) and to the dust it shall return. There was no need to tell the disciples about this because they all knew our bodies deteriorated and end up to be bones later on.
The only thing Jesus was interested in was the spirit working in their lives once he was gone. He told them they would do everything he did and even more they would do. Not one word was mentioned about him resurrecting in his body and meeting them in the upper room. This would have been a serious breach of trust and one big lie to the disciples who weren't expecting to ever see Jesus in his body again. If it was true that Jesus raised in his flesh, then he would have told his disciples all about it to make sure someone wasn't lying to them. Anyone could come to them after his death and say they were the resurrected Christ because the disciples didn't have the truth in them to know the difference. This is why it was important for Jesus to tell them everything that will happen after he died.
This story of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ was an addition made by the Roman government who killed all the saints and had to deceive their followers. By falsifying the new testament writings and adding pagan ideas to them, they easily deceived the new Christians. This pagan idea of Jesus floating into the clouds has nothing to do with God. God is invisible and infinite so Jesus didn't have to float anywhere. His created Holy Spirit that was using his flesh was the one who remained alive after his flesh died. The Romans were pagan worshipers and their gods lived in the sky where they said Jesus went to.
The new testament is loaded with Roman lies in it so don't trust it for anything. You need the truth in you in order to know what lies were added. Otherwise, you're being lied to and when you teach those lies to someone else, you are a false prophet. The gospel Jesus preached is the way, the truth and the life because the gospel is the Word and the voice of God. The flesh of Jesus died like all other men so he wasn't special in that respect but he was the Word in his created form. Jesus Christ remains alive and he's in my flesh today.

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Message 2 of 17 (604511)
02-12-2011 7:09 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the The Bodily Resurrection of Christ was Impossible thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

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Message 3 of 17 (604515)
02-12-2011 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by thewordofgod
02-12-2011 2:12 PM


Your Argument
Just what exactly is your argument? And where are you getting your information from?

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Message 4 of 17 (604527)
02-12-2011 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jon
02-12-2011 7:25 PM


Re: Your Argument
Jon writes:
Just what exactly is your argument? And where are you getting your information from?
I never argue because I have the truth. That shouldn't stop you from arguing because I know you don't have the truth.

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Message 5 of 17 (604532)
02-12-2011 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by thewordofgod
02-12-2011 9:58 PM


Re: Your Argument
I never argue because I have the truth. That shouldn't stop you from arguing because I know you don't have the truth.
Do you have the truth, the Truth, the Trvth, the TRUTH, the TRVTH, or the TRVTH?
And how do you know?
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Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 6 of 17 (604544)
02-13-2011 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Coyote
02-12-2011 10:31 PM


Re: Your Argument
Coyote writes:
thewordofgod writes:
I never argue because I have the truth. That shouldn't stop you from arguing because I know you don't have the truth.
Do you have the truth, the Truth, the Trvth, the TRUTH, the TRVTH, or the TRVTH?
It appears his truth is his imagination.
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AdminPD
Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 7 of 17 (604565)
02-13-2011 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Coyote
02-12-2011 10:31 PM


Re: Your Argument
And how do you know?
Its because the god Thor whispers in his ear he hears the whispers and he knows its the truth. While you and i might call it a psychosis he calls it the truth.
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Message 8 of 17 (604567)
02-13-2011 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by frako
02-13-2011 6:57 AM


Topic Please
Participants: This is not a chat forum. Use the PM if you must make snide remarks.
The contention is that the bodily resurrection of Christ was impossible. His argument seems to be here:
The only thing Jesus was interested in was the spirit working in their lives once he was gone. He told them they would do everything he did and even more they would do. Not one word was mentioned about him resurrecting in his body and meeting them in the upper room. This would have been a serious breach of trust and one big lie to the disciples who weren't expecting to ever see Jesus in his body again. If it was true that Jesus raised in his flesh, then he would have told his disciples all about it to make sure someone wasn't lying to them. Anyone could come to them after his death and say they were the resurrected Christ because the disciples didn't have the truth in them to know the difference. This is why it was important for Jesus to tell them everything that will happen after he died.
This story of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ was an addition made by the Roman government who killed all the saints and had to deceive their followers. By falsifying the new testament writings and adding pagan ideas to them, they easily deceived the new Christians. This pagan idea of Jesus floating into the clouds has nothing to do with God. God is invisible and infinite so Jesus didn't have to float anywhere. His created Holy Spirit that was using his flesh was the one who remained alive after his flesh died. The Romans were pagan worshipers and their gods lived in the sky where they said Jesus went to.
Address his argument, not him.
Please direct any comments concerning this Administrative msg to the General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') thread.
Do not respond in this thread.
Thank you
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Message 9 of 17 (604568)
02-13-2011 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by thewordofgod
02-12-2011 9:58 PM


Debate Forum
Welcome thewordofgod,
Glad you decided to add to our diversity. We have a wide variety of forums for your debating pleasure.
As members, we are guests on this board and as guests we are asked to put forth our best behavior.
Please read the Forum Guidelines carefully and understand the wishes of our host. Familiarize yourself with the various functions of EvC by using the Practice Makes Perfect Forum.
That said, this is a debate forum, not a blog. You presented a topic for debate and a request was made for clarification. If you have no intention of participating in this thread, there was no reason to submit a topic for discussion. After viewing the rest of your posting history, I get the impression you have no intention of becoming a viable participant on this board. If this is true, please let me know; if not, please follow the Forum Guidelines and enjoy a fruitful debate.
Please direct any questions or comments you may have concerning this post to the Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0 thread. Do not respond in this thread.
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Message 10 of 17 (604573)
02-13-2011 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Coyote
02-12-2011 10:31 PM


Re: Your Argument
Coyote writes:
I never argue because I have the truth. That shouldn't stop you from arguing because I know you don't have the truth.
Do you have the truth, the Truth, the Trvth, the TRUTH, the TRVTH, or the TRVTH?
And how do you know?
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Because I am the truth and always have been. Once I change the DNA of the body I'm using, then I can be revealed as the body writes and speaks the inspired words I give him.

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Message 11 of 17 (604574)
02-13-2011 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by bluescat48
02-13-2011 12:20 AM


Re: Your Argument
bluescat48 writes:
Coyote writes:
thewordofgod writes:
I never argue because I have the truth. That shouldn't stop you from arguing because I know you don't have the truth.
Do you have the truth, the Truth, the Trvth, the TRUTH, the TRVTH, or the TRVTH?
It appears his truth is his imagination.
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Message 12 of 17 (604575)
02-13-2011 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by frako
02-13-2011 6:57 AM


Re: Your Argument
frako writes:
And how do you know?
Its because the god Thor whispers in his ear he hears the whispers and he knows its the truth. While you and i might call it a psychosis he calls it the truth.
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AdminPD
Every single thread I make goes out of topic by the members of the forum. You either have to allow that to happen of ban the truth, just like the Pharisees did with Jesus when they had him killed by the Romans.

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Message 13 of 17 (604576)
02-13-2011 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by AdminPD
02-13-2011 7:24 AM


Re: Topic Please
AdminPD writes:
Participants: This is not a chat forum. Use the PM if you must make snide remarks.
The contention is that the bodily resurrection of Christ was impossible. His argument seems to be here:
The only thing Jesus was interested in was the spirit working in their lives once he was gone. He told them they would do everything he did and even more they would do. Not one word was mentioned about him resurrecting in his body and meeting them in the upper room. This would have been a serious breach of trust and one big lie to the disciples who weren't expecting to ever see Jesus in his body again. If it was true that Jesus raised in his flesh, then he would have told his disciples all about it to make sure someone wasn't lying to them. Anyone could come to them after his death and say they were the resurrected Christ because the disciples didn't have the truth in them to know the difference. This is why it was important for Jesus to tell them everything that will happen after he died.
This story of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ was an addition made by the Roman government who killed all the saints and had to deceive their followers. By falsifying the new testament writings and adding pagan ideas to them, they easily deceived the new Christians. This pagan idea of Jesus floating into the clouds has nothing to do with God. God is invisible and infinite so Jesus didn't have to float anywhere. His created Holy Spirit that was using his flesh was the one who remained alive after his flesh died. The Romans were pagan worshipers and their gods lived in the sky where they said Jesus went to.
Address his argument, not him.
Please direct any comments concerning this Administrative msg to the General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') thread.
Do not respond in this thread.
Thank you
AdminPD Purple
Since I speak for God, you might as well forget about your members staying on topic while making comments to me. They're not interested in the words I write. They're more interested in the fear they have after reading my threads and comments.

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thewordofgod 
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Message 14 of 17 (604578)
02-13-2011 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by AdminPD
02-13-2011 7:33 AM


Re: Debate Forum
AdminPD writes:
Welcome thewordofgod,
Glad you decided to add to our diversity. We have a wide variety of forums for your debating pleasure.
As members, we are guests on this board and as guests we are asked to put forth our best behavior.
Please read the Forum Guidelines carefully and understand the wishes of our host. Familiarize yourself with the various functions of EvC by using the Practice Makes Perfect Forum.
That said, this is a debate forum, not a blog. You presented a topic for debate and a request was made for clarification. If you have no intention of participating in this thread, there was no reason to submit a topic for discussion. After viewing the rest of your posting history, I get the impression you have no intention of becoming a viable participant on this board. If this is true, please let me know; if not, please follow the Forum Guidelines and enjoy a fruitful debate.
Please direct any questions or comments you may have concerning this post to the Report Discussion Problems Here 3.0 thread. Do not respond in this thread.
Again, welcome and fruitful debating.
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Message 15 of 17 (604579)
02-13-2011 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by thewordofgod
02-13-2011 7:59 AM


Re: Your Argument
Right, you're either a Poe, or completely fucking insane.
I hope for your sake and for the sake of everyone around you it's the former.
If you're not going to participate meaningfully, can I suggest you move along?
Oh, and responding to messages that have been deemed off topic is not a very smart thing to do.

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