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- I don't need to believe. I already know. What about turning back time to 49,000 years ago and put them on an island called England-

I was using a simplified hypothetical example to make plain the fact that there are constraints on population - it doesn't simply grow magically and consistently.But if, instead, you just want to look at an actual historical example of population, fine. These figures are for the population of Great Britain. Up till 1801, they're based on a consensus figure from the Insitute of Historical Research, of the University of London.43: 1,000,000
410: 1,500,000
865: 1,500,000
1000: 1,500,000
1348: 3,500,000
1350: 2,250,000
1642: 6,000,000
1649: 5,700,000
1801: 10,942,646
1851: 27,368,736
1911: 45,221,615Notice that the population did not grow at any steady or consistent rate. It was reduced by plagues (1350) and war (1649) and, for long periods, remained basically stable. The population at the time of the Norman Conquest, as estimated from archaeological remains, historical records and what we know of agricultural technology at the time, was about the same as it had been 700 years earlier at the time of the Romans.

-- -Taz, time for you to see the hidden timeframe implicated in the Opening Post.-Thin Red Line — population growth Model — Only the Fifth part survives-. . . . . . . . . . 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons
. . . . . . . . . . 65 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 60 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 55 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons1st cluster of 14,000 years — from 49 to 36 thousand years ago: population x 15 - 80 %2nd cluster of 14,000 years — from 35 to 22 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %3rd cluster of 14,000 years — from 21 to 7 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %-Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : updateEdited by CrazyDiamond7, : updateEdited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

Year	World Population in Millions
70,000 BC	<0.015
10,000 BC	1
9000 BC	3
8000 BC	5
7000 BC	7
6000 BC	10
5000 BC	15
4000 BC	20
3000 BC	25
2000 BC	35
1000 BC	50
500 BC	100
AD 1	200
1000	310
1750	791
1800	978
1850	1,262
1900	1,650
1950	2,519
1955	2,756
1960	2,982
1965	3,335
1970	3,692
1975	4,068
1980	4,435
1985	4,831
1990	5,263
1995	5,674
2000	6,070
2005	6,454
2010	6,972

multiply the population number by 1 000 000 those are our estimates. found on Wiki World population - Wikipedia Edited by frako, : No reason given.Edited by Admin, : Add table codes, give graph a white background.

-For some reason, not shown by the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body), 70 thousand years ago in Europe the Human population would have reached 2,000 persons. A number that would not increase until 49 thousand years ago.-. . . . . . . . . . 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons
. . . . . . . . . . 65 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 60 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 55 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons1st cluster of 14,000 years — from 49 to 36 thousand years ago: population x 15 - 80 %2nd cluster of 14,000 years — from 35 to 22 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %3rd cluster of 14,000 years — from 21 to 7 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %-Population growth Model: Thin Red Line [ 1 to 15 - 80 % every thousand years ]- 1st cluster of 14 thousand yearsFrom 49 thousand years ago - European population: 2,000 persons_____________________________________________________________________________
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| 1 thousand years | . . . . 2,000 x 15 = 30,000 - 80 % = 6,000 persons
| 2 thousand years | . . . . 6,000 x 15 = 90,000 - 80 % = 18,000 persons
| 3 thousand years | . . . .18,000 x 15 = 270,000 - 80 % = 54,000 persons
| 4 thousand years | . . . .54,000 x 15 = 810,000 - 80 % = 162,000 persons
| 5 thousand years | . . . 162,000 x 15 = 2,430,000 - 80 % = 486,000 persons
| 6 thousand years | . . . 486,000 x 15 = 7,290,000 - 80 % = 1,458,000 persons
| 7 thousand years | . . 1,458,000 x 15 = 21,870,000 - 80 % = 4,374,000 persons
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| 8 thousand years | . . 4,374,000 x 15 = 65,610,000 - 80 % = 13,122,000 persons
| 9 thousand years | . .13,122,000 x 15 = 196,830,000 - 80 % = 39,366,000 persons
|10 thousand years | . .39,366,000 x 15 = 590,490,000 - 80 % = 118,098,000 persons
|11 thousand years | . 118,098,000 x 15 = 1,771,470,000 - 80 % = 354,294,000 persons
|12 thousand years | . 354,294,000 x 15 = 5,314,410,000 - 80 % = 1,062,882,000 persons
|13 thousand years | 1,062,882,000 x 15 = 15,943,230,000 - 80 % = 3,188,646,000 persons
|14 thousand years | 3,188,646,000 x 15 = 47,829,690,000 - 80 % = 9,565,938,000 persons
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Subtitle: Population growth over the hills and far away ]-Only the Fifth part survives: 4 from every 5 inhabitants do not multiply. This population growth model consists that in every thousand years 80 % of Humans were terminated or died because of wars, famines, diseases and other events and they've left no descendants. It's a model that reproduces a state of miserability in the entire Europe and a badly condition to population increase. As in the thin red line of a war front, the multiplication of the remaining 20 % is according to the Minimum of 1 to 1,5 every hundred years which equates to 1 to 15 every thousand years.-When verifying the mathematical truth one might see that, If indeed some families of Humans have been growing and multiplying on the Earth from 55 thousand years ago, even living in the edge where only the fifth part would survive; and multiplying according to the timeline of a war trench, the mathematical evidence is constantly heading to the open road that some many men can't see: There is a disconnection of time and place between the consequences of having Humans on the Earth for a time no longer than 14 thousand years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body).These Math results do clear up that the Humans would have done to the place called Earth, during any of the three clusters of 14,000 years, all things that they have done to this planet in the recent 7,000 years.-There are no evidences that termination on a global scale had ever happened in Europe from 70 thousand to 10 thousand years ago. However one might give the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) the benefit of the doubt, that some annihilation on a global scale would have occurred bringing down the European population, e.g. from 2 billions to 200 thousand inhabitants in the beginning of the second row of 14 thousand years:- 2nd cluster of 14 thousand years — Beyond the Thin Red Line [ 1 to 10 - 80 % ]From 35 thousand years ago - European population: 200,000 persons______________________________________________________________________________
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| 1 thousand years | . . . 200,000 x 10 = 2,000,000 - 80 % = 400,000 persons
| 2 thousand years | . . . 400,000 x 10 = 4,000,000 - 80 % = 800,000 persons
| 3 thousand years | . . . 800,000 x 10 = 8,000,000 - 80 % = 1,600,000 persons
| 4 thousand years | . . 1,600,000 x 10 = 16,000,000 - 80 % = 3,200,000 persons
| 5 thousand years | . . 3,200,000 x 10 = 32,000,000 - 80 % = 6,400,000 persons
| 6 thousand years | . . 6,400,000 x 10 = 64,000,000 - 80 % = 12,800,000 persons
| 7 thousand years | . .12,800,000 x 10 = 128,000,000 - 80 % = 25,600,000 persons
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| 8 thousand years | . .25,600,000 x 10 = 256,000,000 - 80 % = 51,200,000 persons
| 9 thousand years | . .51,200,000 x 10 = 512,000,000 - 80 % = 102,400,000 persons
|10 thousand years | . 102,400,000 x 10 = 1,024,000,000 - 80 % = 204,800,000 persons
|11 thousand years | . 204,800,000 x 10 = 2,048,000,000 - 80 % = 409,600,000 persons
|12 thousand years | . 409,600,000 x 10 = 4,096,000,000 - 80 % = 819,200,000 persons
|13 thousand years | . 819,200,000 x 10 = 8,192,000,000 - 80 % = 1,638,400,000 persons
|14 thousand years | 1,638,400,000 x 10 = 16,384,000,000 - 80 % = 3,276,800,000 persons
|_______________________________________________________________________________ [ Source: non-published translations of SPOTLIGHT
Subtitle: Population growth over the hills and far away ]-This Model, population x 10 - 80 % every thousand years, is the lowest rate of population increase and it surpasses beyond the thin red line in terms of miserability and badly conditions to multiply. Indeed, if applied to any of the three clusters of 14,000 years, 1 to 10 - 80 % has got what it takes for a wind of change to become a twister that might shakedown the concepts of many highschools wherever they've been told what to do by the man.In the likeness of '1 to 15', '1 to 10 - 80 %' is a model that won't do good to many doctorates on Human Origins because it is mathematical evidence that the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) becomes obsolete.- -One can't recognize anything by 'believing' since it is not knowing nor applying solid science = ascertained truth of the facts.To see a pure-birth model where it isn't is clearing up that whenever a doctrine says 'believing, we see!' that's where their blindness increases.The solid message from Population growth over the hills and far away is that no matter how accurate a population growth model is, many men still can't see the open road, because Many is a word of whom only leaves one guessin' by providing you a number that equates to MANY:The natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) provides you no significant numbers, that equates to telling you this: 'you would find MANY, many people living out there 49 thousand years ago in Europe', rather than give you accurate numbers for your population growth model. And that 'Many' leaves one guessin'Guessin' bout a thing you really ought not to lie. You really ought to know.-[ There's an ancient Hebrew fragment that translates: If men don't speak then the rocks will do it. So let the lyrics speak sometimes. ]-Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : updateEdited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

You dont need a global termination to keep numbers down.Why do you think Lions have not overrun Africa by now ? They keep breeding right but their numbers stayed relatively the same untill man started to hunt them why is that maby because there is only so much food to go around.Now how many desieses where incurable 70 000 years ago? How much food where our ancestors able to produce in that age hunting and gathering, could they store the food for the winter? What was the survival rate of births for both mother and child? in angola currently 180 children die at birth for every 1000 births how many die in their first year of life?? What was their average lifespan? 20 years maby 30?The reason our population exploded in the last 100 Years is because our medicine advanced to the stage where 3 children die at birth per every 1000 births, and moste live trough their first year of life. We also can feed our population, lots of people live to be 100 years old or older our average lifespan has tippled. We have eradicated Smallpox, Rinderpest, we are on our way to eradicate Poliomyelitis (polio),Dracunculiasis, regional eradications of Malaria, Lymphatic filariasis, Measles, Rubella, Onchocerciasis, Yaws. And we can cure moste of the stuff that gets thrown our way. While 70 000 years ago if you caught it you would most likely die and so would your tribe.And all of this than x to SCIENCE not your magic man up in the sky Edited by frako, : No reason given.

First things first. The 'natural selection theory' says nothing about the population of Europe 70 thousand years ago. This is the province of historical demography.And from where did you pull these random figures? The people who try and figure out pre-historical populations do so by considering how many people a land can support, based on the technology they used at the time and the climate at the time.Here's the abstract of a study from the Journal of Archaeological Science which tries and estimate the population of Europe in prehistoric times. It deals not with the time period you mentioned, but the one immediately following it. They looked at the distribution of archaelogical sites in this period, and at the climate records, and obtained a figure of around about 5,000 people between the time from 50,000 to 25,000 years ago. There's a wide margin of error included in their calculations, since this is obviously difficult to be precise about, so their 95% confidence interval puts the population between 1,700 and 37,700 people.After this, the population would have decreased, because we know that the climate got colder and made much of the continent uninhabitable - they retreated into refuges. Once things started to warm up, the population would have increased again as people recolonised the more hospitable continent. They estimate it grew to between 11,300 and 72,600 people.To carry on further, the basis of calculations need to change, because agriculture was introduced to Europe, allowing much greater food production and greater population growth.That's how historical demography is done, by looking at the evidence of the real world. We don't need your back of an envelope calcuations based around numbers you pulled out of the air and which ignore the realities of technological and climatic limitations to growth.

-Frako, Why not go straight to the point and bring up your population growth model, e.g.: from 50 thousand years ago until 21,000 years ago, in order for people to verify how accurate it is.Only the specificity of Math results can be called evidence to this matter. Evidences based on comparing lions with humans and other stories are not evidences but tales to help bulls fall asleep.-

They could if you had the exact birthrates and death rates for every year in the past 70 000 years if you dont then your math is useless.As for my growth model relatively no big growth until technology allowed it. Technology that enabled farming as an example. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Edited by frako, : No reason given.

He did that in Message 154 - you haven't responded yet.--Percy

This is absolute nonsense.Your ideas concerning population growth are just plain wrong, otherwise the earth would be covered with bacteria to the outer atmosphere.

- -There is no Specificity, no real Math working but simply a jump from 70 directly to 10.Is this to be called a population growth model ?-Bring up a more specific Model, if you have one, please-Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

- I agree. He should have compared humans with coyotes-

This graph any better for you to understand.500 000 - 10 000 Growth limited do to lack of technology to build shelter (living in caves etc10 000- 2000 years ago Growth increasing slightly do to farming, houses, eaven early forms of medicine,500 years ago a technological revolution harnesing wind and water to do what labour had to do before,100 years ago technological revolution x10 allowing for a baby boom on an unprecedented scaleSimply put there was not enough food to go arround before to sustain a higher population.first we hunted and gathered
Then we farmed with stone tools
We made better tools farmed more food
We discovered that crop rotation increases yeald
We discovered that mixing the soil with shit increased crop yealdthen 100 years ago til now we discovered
Tractors that equalled the work of 100 men working a full day in a matter of hours
We discovered soil supplements that increased plant growth
easy irrigation
Geneticly altered plants
Numerus protective agents against insects, mold and other problems that would ruin our crops
Refrigiration
.....It is our technology that allowed us to multiply so much and the lack of thecnology that prevented us from multiplying before.Simply put we could not feed 7 billion people 70 000 years ago but we can feed them today Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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This population growth Model p x 10 - 80 % is uniquely a measurement line that clears up what the multiplication rate is. It's not an equation taken from real documents since there are no real documents from 50 thousand years ago.

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The multiplication rate p x 15 - 80 % is not presented as a product of research brought from official rates but solely a Model that proofreads the multiplication rates proposed by a theory that places the Humans to multiply on the Earth for more than 70 thousand years ago.

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