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Dr Adequate
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Message 76 of 88 (599516)
01-08-2011 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by slevesque
01-06-2011 9:49 PM


I don't want to seem like I'm bragging or anything, but since it is the subject of the thread I can say that by most standards I am an intelligent person. I have no doubt I could be part of groups such as Mensa, since I did the preliminary tests and was well within the range of requirements. And I'm also religious, and in fact would probably qualify in the most religious groupings in most studies.
You're a statistical outlier. We'll just average you with Dennis Markuze ... don't worry, this will be quite painless. In fact, I'll hardly feel a thing.

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Message 77 of 88 (599540)
01-08-2011 3:06 PM


Fundamentalist Groups
Having been in many fundi churches and other fundi circles over six decades, from all over the nation, imo, the pentecostals, other charismatic groups and Jehovah's Witnesses are the less intelligent, by and large. They are actually the least fundamental when it comes to literal interpretation of the New Testament. The Jim Jones suicide cultists, for example were pentecostal types.
The graduates of fundi universities such as Bob Jones University, Liberty University and Pensacola Bible College, etc tend to be highly sought after for employment. Having attended BJU for a year and a half, some of the most intelligent people I've encountered were there on the staff and in the classes.
People like Dr James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries and David Barton are good examples of highly intelligent noted non-pentecostal fundis, where as folks like Oral Roberts, the defamed Jimmy Swaggart, James & Tammy baker & the PTL Club, Pat Robertson etc tend to be the less intelligent ones, some of whom ended up in hot water legally.
The ministries of the latter tended to be more emotion driven whereas the more intelligent fundi groups tended to be more doctrinal driven ministries.
I am regarded by many here on this board as a really stupid unintelligent dumb ass. As a matter of fact, I scored the 2nd to the top IQ in our boot training outfit in the USAF and score high in online tests, IQ wise. Like, Slevesque, this is not to brag, but to address the topic question.
My point is that intelligence rating in boards, such as this is, are often determined ideologically. The rating system here bears that out. That is not the fault of the rating system. That is simply cause and effect, the majority having a non-religious ideology.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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ringo
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Message 78 of 88 (599545)
01-08-2011 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 3:06 PM


Re: Fundamentalist Groups
Buzsaw writes:
I am regarded by many here on this board as a really stupid unintelligent dumb ass.
I don't think that's true. I think most of us probably regard you as fairly intelligent and incredibly arrogant.
One of the purposes of education is to show you how little you know. Unfortunately, fundamentalists believe that God knows everything and thus they also know everything by proxy.
It's easy to make yourself look like a fool, regardless of how intelligent you really are.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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bluescat48
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Message 79 of 88 (599546)
01-08-2011 4:59 PM
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01-08-2011 3:06 PM


Re: Fundamentalist Groups
where as folks like Oral Roberts, the defamed Jimmy Swaggart, James & Tammy baker & the PTL Club, Pat Robertson etc tend to be the less intelligent ones, some of whom ended up in hot water legally.
Unfortunately, they get the most "airplay."

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Larni
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Message 80 of 88 (599547)
01-08-2011 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by jar
01-07-2011 6:15 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
I can't remember the subject of someones religion even coming up in my whole working life.
About two months ago (in a patient referral meeting) one of our new part time counsellors was discussing a patient and the intervention he used and he presaged it with "as a Christian I told him...."
Then followed a 'discussion' about the ethics of brining ones religious beliefs into therapy session.

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slevesque
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Message 81 of 88 (599635)
01-09-2011 3:11 PM
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01-07-2011 6:15 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
I think this is more a problem of memory then that it never happened.
How can it not happen ? A person's relative dies, a worldwide catastrophy happens, someone watch a scary movie about demons last night, a popular scientist claims aliens exist, etc. etc.
Talks about God, religion and someone's worldview can be sparked by almost anything at times.

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jar
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Message 82 of 88 (599636)
01-09-2011 3:16 PM
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01-09-2011 3:11 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
I think this is more a problem of memory then that it never happened.
Possibly, but I cannot tell you what religion any person I ever worked with endorsed except on who was a Mormon and even there, it only came up when we all went out to a bar after work one day.
How can it not happen ? A person's relative dies, a worldwide catastrophy happens, someone watch a scary movie about demons last night, a popular scientist claims aliens exist, etc. etc.
I can't quite imagine how any of those could or would lead to discussing religion.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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slevesque
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Message 83 of 88 (599637)
01-09-2011 3:24 PM
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01-09-2011 3:16 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
I can't quite imagine how any of those could or would lead to discussing religion.
Really ?
Someone dies ---) life after death ?
Catastrophy ----) problem of evil ?
Scary demon movie ----) supernatural beings exist ?
Alien life -----) Is earth/humans special or not ?
Unless there is an unwritten rule about ''we don,t talk about personnal beliefs in the workplace'' I don't see how at least one discussion can't arise in a single year ...

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nwr
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Message 84 of 88 (599638)
01-09-2011 3:25 PM
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01-09-2011 3:11 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
slevesque writes:
Talks about God, religion and someone's worldview can be sparked by almost anything at times.
Nevertheless, it just doesn't happen.
I think the people I work with, understand that it is not appropriate to discuss religion in the work place. And if they say something that drops a hint, perhaps I fail to catch that hint.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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jar
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Message 85 of 88 (599641)
01-09-2011 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by slevesque
01-09-2011 3:24 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
Really ?
Someone dies ---) life after death ?
Catastrophy ----) problem of evil ?
Scary demon movie ----) supernatural beings exist ?
Alien life -----) Is earth/humans special or not ?
Yup, not only would those relationships come up in a work situation, I can't much imagine them coming up in any situation other than as a joke.
Life after death is something not one of use will ever have a clue about until ... we die. And it is just a maybe.
I can't imagine anyone other than a nutcase conflating a catastrophe and evil.
Scary demon movies are funny.
Alien life? Give me a break. Even without aliens why would anyone think humans are special?
Stuff like that was fun to speculate about back in middle school but even then I don't remember religion really being a factor.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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slevesque
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Message 86 of 88 (599679)
01-09-2011 6:59 PM
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01-09-2011 3:33 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
Yup, not only would those relationships come up in a work situation, I can't much imagine them coming up in any situation other than as a joke.
You're kidding, right ?
I can't imagine anyone other than a nutcase conflating a catastrophe and evil.
You do realize that natural catastrophe's are at the center stage of any discussion around the problem of evil ? And that pretty much all thinking person worth reading has touched that subject ? From Epicurus to Dawkins ?
Unless they were all nutcases, or joking ...
Alien life? Give me a break. Even without aliens why would anyone think humans are special?
If you can't see why humans, or all biological systems, could be considered special if we knew nothing like it were present anywhere in the universe, then I can'gt help you.
Stuff like that was fun to speculate about back in middle school but even then I don't remember religion really being a factor.
And yet some very intelligent and educated people work on these things all around the world, write books about them.
I guess you were way ahead of your time in middle school.

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jar
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Message 87 of 88 (599680)
01-09-2011 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by slevesque
01-09-2011 6:59 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
You do realize that natural catastrophe's are at the center stage of any discussion around the problem of evil ? And that pretty much all thinking person worth reading has touched that subject ? From Epicurus to Dawkins ?
Unless they were all nutcases, or joking ...
Not all nutcases, Epicurus for example was just ignorant.
If you can't see why humans, or all biological systems, could be considered special if we knew nothing like it were present anywhere in the universe, then I can'gt help you.
That's fine, I did not ask for help. You do know that "humans" and "all biological systems" are two different things. And why are they any more "special" that mountains or glaciers or planets or galaxies or ... ?
And yet some very intelligent and educated people work on these things all around the world, write books about them.
And write fiction and do lots of things. The issue was whether the subject of someones religion came up in most work environments, whether beliefs even get mentioned in normal work environments.
They might, I simply can't remember more than the one case I mentioned above in about 50+ years of working.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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nwr
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Message 88 of 88 (599681)
01-09-2011 7:14 PM
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01-09-2011 3:24 PM


Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
slevesque writes:
Someone dies ---) life after death ?
Remembering back to around 30 years ago, the daughter of one of my colleagues died of leukemia. She was around 20 years old. I don't recall any talk of life after death. I assume that my colleague was probably involved in some church, since that is typical. But that never came up. I did attend a memorial service, but that's largely an expected social activity and arranged by the funeral directory, so one cannot make inferences about religion from that.
I did know that another of my colleagues was an organist at a Chicago church. I later discovered that he was an atheist, who just happened to enjoy playing the organ.
I hear almost no talk about religion, very little about baseball, somewhat more (though still not very much) about football.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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