Hate the sin but love the person...except when voting?

right click copy image location, and then put it in between img and /img incased in the same thing as you use when you quote. So do humans it is all chemestry when you find someone you are attracted too the first thing your body does is sniff for the feromones that person gives off.Hormones are a big part in our decision making, for example it often accrues that a mother killed her child and then regrets the act the reason is that her hormone levels where screwing with her thought process.That is why we cannot rationalize love cause it is an ANIMAL THINGGays get the same vibes you get when you see/ get to know a person you find attractive the only difference is that they get those vibes only from the same sex while you only get them from the opposite sex.It is not like they want to fall in love with the same sex. It is the same procceess that you cannot control, and it makes you fall in love with who you fall in love with.

How about starting a thread on this so we can see your evidence? I'd really like to see your support for the traditional attributions.Does anyone know if there is already a thread for this?

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So no one that is "perverted" should marry.So "interacial" marriges are also "perverted" and should not be allowed
Some people have a thing for "little people" they should not marry them because it is perverted only people of the same hight should marry.
All the people who marry young husbands or wives while they are old are also perverted and should not be allowed to marry.Or does only what your bible calls perverted or an abomination actually perverted if so then why all the fuss about the pedophile priests there is nothing about pedophilia being perverted in the bible.And again if mix religion with law you open the door to other religions doing the same.

or polygamy.but divorce? oh, don't get me started on divorce.

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Definition: perversion (from websters dictionary)Noun
2. An aberrant sexual practice;.
3. The action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice".
4. The act of perverting, or the state of being perverted; a turning from truth or right; a diverting from the true intent or object; a change to something worse; a turning or applying to a wrong end or use
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How are any of these things perverted franko? Oh really? Try reading the warning Jesus gave in Matthew 18:6...Whoever causes one of these little ones...to stumble, it would be better for him if a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea".
Do you think molesting a child might cause a child to stumble?Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.

Well, according to the Bible knocking up little (likely maybe 12 years old) virgins is okay. Mary, Mary ...BUT ...Perversion is NOT relevant in US Law.Nor is "natural" or "unnatural".Second, homosexuality is NOT the issue or even related to the topic. We are discussing the legal contract referred to as marriage.You need to provide a reason that is NOT related to your religious beliefs.Do you understand basic US laws?I'll repeat some basics for you.

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Fortunately, not in the US. In the US there must be a clear secular reason for any law, and sin don't just cut it.

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1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.

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Note the first item. If it fails that it is out.

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You need to show why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens.

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What is the clear secular reason why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens?Remember homosexuality is NOT relevant, perversion is not relevant, sin is not relevant; we are only talking about denying the legal contract referred to as marriage to one subgroup of citizens?

I can't help but wonder if God will let me sit on the front row with a party favor when your turn in front of the throne comes up......oh, in case you haven't noticed after for times now, I don't care what you think about the law.Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.

I will gladly invite you.BUT ...Perversion is NOT relevant in US Law.Nor is "natural" or "unnatural".Second, homosexuality is NOT the issue or even related to the topic. We are discussing the legal contract referred to as marriage.You need to provide a reason that is NOT related to your religious beliefs.Do you understand basic US laws?I'll repeat some basics for you.

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Fortunately, not in the US. In the US there must be a clear secular reason for any law, and sin don't just cut it.

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1. The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
2. The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
3. The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.

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Note the first item. If it fails that it is out.

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You need to show why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens.

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What is the clear secular reason why the legal contract referred to as marriage should be denied one subgroup of citizens?Remember homosexuality is NOT relevant, perversion is not relevant, sin is not relevant; we are only talking about denying the legal contract referred to as marriage to one subgroup of citizens?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

But surely the "Hate the Sin..." thread is so done the meat is falling off the bones.Arguments against ICdesign's stance have reached the 3rd or 4th round of repetition, and ICdesign has reached the nyah-nyah stage of his arc.Please make it stop.Edited by Omnivorous, : Better subtitle with a Minnesota connection to soften a Moose's heart.

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I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past.
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Real things always push back.
-William James

I agree the thread is done - there isn't a variation on the "my worldview/interpretation-of-the-bible is more valid that yours Q.E.D" that hasn't been done to death already.As purpledawn has pointed out a couple of times, the issue itself contra gay marriage necessarily hateful has filtered through virtually untouched.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

I disagree. The OP framed it as 'Hate the sin, love the sinner". It has been shown that being contra gay marriage is neither hating the sin nor loving the sinner.The related issue of Christian hypocrisy has been shown, imho.

I disagree. I think it has been clearly shown I can be against gay marriage without hating a single person. I further think it has been clearly shown that the "Golden Rule" cannot apply in the voting booth.I do agree this subject is way past done. I apologize for straying so far off the OP path.May I sincerely wish each and every one of you a very Merry Christmas !!! ICdesignEdited by ICdesign, : No reason given.

Happy hijacked pagan holiday to you too.

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Cheers and a happy new year.

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Happy december to all I dunno about your countries but December is the month when our cops run out of places to put people till they are sober. And yes the whole month, the drinking slowly starts around the first and progressively rises to obscene leveled around the 25th keeps steady till the 2nd of January and slowly dies out around the 10th.