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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
To expand Jar's sentiments Message 299:
Which side FULLY controls the other's property, human rights, laws, water supply, health care/hospitals, employment, transportation/movement, to the point of death? Israels or the Palestinians?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
dronester writes: To expand Jar's sentiments Message 299: Which side FULLY controls the other's property, human rights, laws, water supply, health care/hospitals, employment, transportation/movement, to the point of death? Israels or the Palestinians? Sorry but there you are just creating a false analogy. It is not that simple. Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon also play significant roles in restricting the Palestinians. In addition, the Palestinians themselves can play a larger part in determining things like laws, human rights, health care and employment. It is not simple. It is not Israel-Palestine. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Thanks Jar, you have some good points, but most of it is really that simple. For one thing, you only wrote about restriction, I wrote about oppression/torture/murder.
For another example, during the the Gaza War during the winter of 2008—2009, when Israel committed the war crime of collective punishment, how did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon play a significant role? Also during this war crime by Israel which the Israel military willfully targeted women and children, how could the Palestinians play a larger part in determining things like laws, human rights, health care and employment? (Might I add, Obama remained silent about this war atrocity and H. Clinton dumbfoundedly spoke only how Israel needs to protect itself.) We are going off topic, so I'll let you have the last word. Collective punishment - Wikipedia Edited by dronester, : added restriction/oppression verbage
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
dronester writes: Thanks Jar, you have some good points, but most of it is really that simple. For one thing, you only wrote about restriction, I wrote about oppression/torture/murder. For another example, during the the Gaza War during the winter of 2008—2009, when Israel committed the war crime of collective punishment, how did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon play a significant role? Also during this war crime by Israel which the Israel military willfully targeted women and children, how could the Palestinians play a larger part in determining things like laws, human rights, health care and employment? (Might I add, Obama remained silent about this war atrocity and H. Clinton dumbfoundedly spoke only how Israel needs to protect itself.) We are going off topic, so I'll let you have the last word. Collective punishment - Wikipedia There is oppression, torture and murder on both sides. There are plenty of examples to go around on all sides. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Jar, while you're right that both sides have had their hands dirtied, Israel remains the only player that is constantly facing a possible extinction. No other nation on Earth that currently has as many enemies who have sworn to its destruction than Israel.
I see what they are doing as a natural response to preserving their own existence.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I see what they are doing as a natural response to preserving their own existence. How does it "preserve their existence" to keep cinnamon and newspapers out of the Gaza Strip? Do you think maybe the reason they continue to have so many enemies is because they do their level best to piss off all of their neighbors? Do illegal settlements "preserve their existence" or do they inflame sentiments against Israelis? Don't get me wrong - their neighbors are just as bad. But to describe the actions of Israel as uniformly being out of the interests of self-preservation is just plain stupid. Israel does as much out of self-dealing and self-aggrandizement as out of self-preservation. Keeping parts to build rockets out of the Gaza Strip? Sure, that's self-preservation. Keeping parts to build greenhouses out of the Gaza Strip? That's an effort to protect Israeli agribusiness from competition and subject Gazans to illegal collective punishment.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Taz writes: No other nation on Earth that currently has as many enemies who have sworn to its destruction than Israel. ...with the possible exception of the United States. - xongsmith, 5.7d
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Taz writes: Jar, while you're right that both sides have had their hands dirtied, Israel remains the only player that is constantly facing a possible extinction. No other nation on Earth that currently has as many enemies who have sworn to its destruction than Israel. I see what they are doing as a natural response to preserving their own existence. Building settlements on foreign soil preserves their existence? Demanding expanded borders? Refusing to recognize the existence or rights of other Nations? Regularly invading your neighbors? Other than the US, what Nation as invaded more nations than Israel? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Hey, just wondering how that "bully pulpit" worked out. Republicans are lining up to pass Obama's jobs bill and he has unanimous support by his own party, right?
Remember back when I was so stupid that I said that the chief limitations on Obama's power and the passage of progressive agenda items were structural issues that privileged the status quo and conservativism, and not Obama's personal betrayal of progressive principles and refusal to fight for stuff? LOL! Current events sure proved me wrong! Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
You forgot functioning as a racist state.
Even simply identifying as "the Jewish state" is a crime of racism. If you're born Jewish, you can immediately gain citizenship regardless of your nation of origin with full rights; if you're any other race, you cannot. There's no wonder Israel is so hated by its neighbors - they get to act like dicks, responding to terrorist acts with overwhelming force that invariably kills even more innocent civilians than the terrorists did, being the only (unacknowledged) nuclear state in the region, and so on, simply because they know the US has their back no matter what. I'd love to see a President finally stand up and tell the Israelis to fuck off and do without any American support at all until and unless they commit to and follow through with the peace process. But then, that's a pipe dream - Israel is just too popular with Christian fundamentalists like Buz who see its existence and "strength" as a major sign of the impending apocalypse.
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The limit has been reached. This thread is now closed to discussion. Participants will be given 48 hours to post one summary of their final position concerning the topic of the discussion. Please do not respond to previous posts and do not respond to summations. Again, thread will be closing in 48 hours. AdminPD P.S. Trying this without a preclosing. Edited by AdminPD, : No reason given.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
quote:http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/...caid-and-social-security quote: zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information. Yep, any president that offers up those "entitlements," without any republican prompting, into the debt ceiling negotiations, just HAS to be a liberal. Gosh, gee, only an ignoramus could miss something like that.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Despite imprecations to the contrary - and despite nonsense about "epidemic monkeys", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean - the debt ceiling deal had no entitlement cuts.
Also why does Dronester advocate the end of diplomatic relations with Iraq and the closing of our embassies there?
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