Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?

But what if all of the available evidence is that they came from folklore, where they were passed from generation to generation with modifications. That's more like the evolution case. Then does it really matter whether there was a single original author?

I think our understandings are being hindered by trying to take in too much of the argument at once; if we take this one step at a time, we might have better luck understanding one another. So, to help me understand you, I have a few questions.First question: If there was a designer, there was always a designer. Agree, or disagree?JonEdited by Jon, : edited

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Check out Apollo's Temple!

We would know that how?

Why would it matter?

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Why dont you go and ask him if he was always there or if he is there?second questionif there is a designer and he designed every species separatly why is he trying to trick us by making it look like evolution did it and why did he leave so much evidence for evolution and none for a desighner?

You, along with others in this thread, still don't understand what I'm trying to say.If the only difference between the stories of ID and science would be the start of the evolutionary process, where ID says it was instigated by an intelligent designer, and science says "we don't know (yet)", then I think I could more or less agree that the identity of the designer, and maybe even whether there is a designer at all, is of lesser importance. Because then the process by which living nature came to be would be evolution after all, in either case.But ID doesn't stop there. ID doesn't say that the designer just set everything in motion and then let evolution take its course. Instead, ID says that, for instance, the eye is directly designed, and is not the product of evolution. And that's why I think it really matters whether ID is true or not. If it's true, our current knowledge of evolution is nonsense, and so is our method by which we acquired that knowledge. It's probably the most important thing humanity could be wrong about.Unless, of course, you don't care about the truth, in which case I wonder what you're doing here.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

On the contrary, I do understand it, and I mostly agree.However, I don't think that what you are saying has to do with what jar intended the thread to discuss. Evidently his OP had some ambiguity, and what you are taking to be the topic is different from what I am taking to be the topic.

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Jesus was a liberal hippie

If that's the case then I apologize for my somewhat cranky remarks at the beginning and end of my previous post. Maybe we should wait for Jar to clear up the misunderstanding.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Your formulation is ambiguous. Please clarify.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

I have given the question some thought and i would disagreeIF we are designed that does not mean that god designed us, for all we know life could have been planted here by an alien civilization that deisgned us for their own unknown purposes.the word IF at is spelld big cause it is a very big IF

If it is true that there was a designer, has it always been true that there was a designer?Jon

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I don't think there's any justification for that assumption. The designer could be some alien child who was born last Thursday.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

I think I understand what you're trying to say here, but the single-sentence question is a bit too open-ended.A designer could have been designing all along. A designer could have only started interfering and designing last Tuesday, or a thousand years ago, or a million. A designer could have set the whole thing in motion and could no longer be designing.But I think what you're getting at is the fact that if a designer exists, then the designer exists whether we realized it or not. If we all lived underground and had never seen the sky and believed that it was green, and suddenly broke through to the surface and saw that the sky is actually blue, then the sky was actually blue all along and we were just wrong.So in that context, yes, if there is a designer, then the designer already exists whether we realize it and accept it or not.

It has nothing to do with imagination or irrelevancy. It has only to do with reality and its applications.The only frustration we experience is your inability to reason correctly.What is imagination, is your attempts to ask question that are not applicable to reality and its conclusions.Have fun with your imaginary contemplations with no phyiscal realities or applicationsDawn Bertot

I think most of us, particularly me, understand what you are saying and to some extent agree.The area where I disagree is in just how big a problem the existence of some designer might be.If there was a Designer then there is some additional yet unknown method which the designer uses to effect change.We are learning, to use your analogy of the eye, just how an eye could be developed, how we can manipulate genes to effect change.We are reverse engineering the product.Once we can understand how living things could be created, once we understand the methods for effecting change, even if they are different methods then the original designer used, the original designer becomes irrelevant except in those two areas I have mentioned.

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