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Jon
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Message 46 of 109 (587473)
10-19-2010 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Nij
10-19-2010 12:21 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
As long as what you pay the company for their work is no less than ten times what you pay yourself, it would be fine for you
The whole company?
Jon

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Nij
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Message 47 of 109 (587493)
10-19-2010 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Jon
10-19-2010 12:41 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
The company is a single entity. You hire the company, you write the company's name on the cheque.
Not everybody who also works for the company, but the company itself. There is no "whole company" or "part of the company", there is just the company.

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frako
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Message 48 of 109 (587498)
10-19-2010 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Jon
10-18-2010 10:53 PM


Re: Resources and Inflations
So as long as my contract is with a company and not an individual, I am okay?
yes, you are paying the company not the workers in this case what they pay the workers is not your problem.

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caffeine
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Message 49 of 109 (587512)
10-19-2010 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by frako
10-19-2010 7:11 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
yes, you are paying the company not the workers in this case what they pay the workers is not your problem.
So, basically, maids would still be paid less than 10% of the wage of those they clean for, as they'll all be self-employed contractors hired by an agency who only directly employ a few office staff.

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frako
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Message 50 of 109 (587516)
10-19-2010 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by caffeine
10-19-2010 8:46 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
So, basically, maids would still be paid less than 10% of the wage of those they clean for, as they'll all be self-employed contractors hired by an agency who only directly employ a few office staff.
good point though it is their problem if they are self employed, and work trough one of those slave driving companies. they should either get a job as a maid or be self employed on their own whitout a mediator.
currently in slovenia we have slovaks that come to our country trough a firm that then lends them to other firms for work. it costs me 5 Eur per hour for one of them they get 2 eur per hr out of it the rest goes to the company that braught them here. lots of them then self employ them selves and work directly for the company they want keeping the whole 5 eur per hour. the maids should do the same.

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Tram law
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Message 51 of 109 (587531)
10-19-2010 11:15 AM


There's one obvious solution, and it's the only solution.
Allow government to pool all the wealth of the people then allow the government to define who needs to live on what.
The government has it's experts who's had years and years and years so they would know how to wisely manage the money.

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Phat
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Message 52 of 109 (587534)
10-19-2010 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Tram law
10-19-2010 11:15 AM


Ask The Experts
Allow government to pool all the wealth of the people then allow the government to define who needs to live on what.
The government has it's experts who's had years and years and years so they would know how to wisely manage the money.
Except that many governments around the world are in debt. Evidently, someone decided that debt was not a bad thing, though it makes the borrowers slaves to the lenders.
How many people would do enough homework to elect good leaders? I hate campaign ads, by the way.

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Modulous
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Message 53 of 109 (587538)
10-19-2010 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Tram law
10-19-2010 11:15 AM


Allow government to pool all the wealth of the people then allow the government to define who needs to live on what.
The government has it's experts who's had years and years and years so they would know how to wisely manage the money.
And we know from experience experts in government in this position would not succumb to the corruption and abuses that we see from the experts in corporations. Which is why we should embrace a system of having a 'community pool' which the government then distributes 'to each according to his need'.
No doubt the experts in corporations could be elected by the workers to form councils, and these councils convene as experts in their field to determine, along with central government, distribution strategies for growth and wages etc.
It's a shame that a United 'Soviet' Socialist America is such a taboo political subject over there - or it might be tried out

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caffeine
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Message 54 of 109 (587543)
10-19-2010 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by frako
10-19-2010 9:17 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
good point though it is their problem if they are self employed, and work trough one of those slave driving companies. they should either get a job as a maid or be self employed on their own whitout a mediator.
It's not that simple, as it's often easier for the companies hiring to go through an agency. It solves them having to search for new people pr keep track of anything - one target person at the agency to communicate with and a succession of faceless drones come to do your tasks. From experience, this is how at least some industries work.
And if we cut out the agency it doesn't solve the central problem. Any menial task which lots of people can do, and so which can't demand a high wage, can be done on a purely contract basis - without ever hiring an employee that you're obliged to pay properly.

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frako
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Message 55 of 109 (587545)
10-19-2010 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Tram law
10-19-2010 11:15 AM


There's one obvious solution, and it's the only solution.
Allow government to pool all the wealth of the people then allow the government to define who needs to live on what.
The government has it's experts who's had years and years and years so they would know how to wisely manage the money.
are they not pooling enough ow your wealth alredy, and look at the good that comes out of that.
personaly i would like a typ of online goverment where every one can participate in what should be done. The road hasto be fixed lets have a vote on that by the ones living near by, i propose a new law well let us all read it and vote on it. As long there is a handfull of people on top elected or not there is plenty of room for corruption.

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frako
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Message 56 of 109 (587546)
10-19-2010 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by caffeine
10-19-2010 11:52 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
And if we cut out the agency it doesn't solve the central problem. Any menial task which lots of people can do, and so which can't demand a high wage, can be done on a purely contract basis - without ever hiring an employee that you're obliged to pay properly.
good point, so what do you propose pouring a bit of good will, and compassion down every buisness owner.

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Jon
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Message 57 of 109 (587549)
10-19-2010 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by caffeine
10-19-2010 8:46 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
Hey! You jumped the gun on the point I was trying to make.

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Jon
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Message 58 of 109 (587561)
10-19-2010 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by frako
10-19-2010 9:17 AM


Re: Resources and Inflations
it is their problem if they are self employed, and work trough one of those slave driving companies.
It is? What happens when all the companies decide they only contract with self-employed folk? What happens when every company only does 'contract' work?
they should either get a job as a maid or be self employed on their own whitout a mediator.
Unless, of course, there are no 'jobs' as maids, but only 'maid contract' work.
If it were my company, I'd create a contracting firm to do almost all of the petty office and factory labor. Within this contracting firm, the boss would only be able to take 10 the pay of the lowest paid, but I'd be able to supply the entire firm with only 1/10 of the income I take home for myself. Then, people don't work for Jon's Company; they work for Jon's Employee Union, which has a working contract with Jon's Company, owned by Jon's brother, who takes no profits from either company, but lives in a house Jon pays for, and drives a car Jon pays for, and access to a bank account Jon stocks.
This is only one loophole.
Jon

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DBlevins
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Message 59 of 109 (587597)
10-19-2010 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by frako
10-18-2010 1:07 PM


Re: Resources and Inflations
do to the system in place deflation is bad for the economy thouhg good for the people in short term.
Deflation is bad for the people because it can lead to a fall in demand which can lead to the lay-off of personnel and so on until you get into a deflationary spiral. It also can force a liquidity trap when investors start hoarding money instead of investing it stiffling the creation of new jobs.

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DBlevins
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Message 60 of 109 (587601)
10-19-2010 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Jon
10-18-2010 1:19 PM


Re: Resources and Inflations
LOL. Sorry, but that is backwards. Inflation happens when there is more money in circulation today than there was yesterday without a comparable increase in goods/services between yesterday and today. Increasing wages increases money in circulation. If goods/services do not increase price comparable to that increase in circulating money, then those goods/services will cost more and the real value (amount purchasable per unit) of money decreases.
LOL. I'm not sure where your confusion begins. I understand that inflation is the rise in the price of goods/services over time. I am suggesting that the profit be shifted toward the worker end of the spectrum which does not mean an increase in the price of the goods. There is no net increase in the amount of money in ciculation and no need to increase the price of the goods.
DB writes:
Cut into the outrageous disparity between executives and low wage earners and the mega profits of those corporations.
What is the effect of this?
A return to the prosperity of the post-war and pre-reagan economy.
DB writes:
Everyone 'champions' inflation.
I sure don't. LOL
Then I guess you don't like to see the value of your assets and investments increase. Sucks to be you.

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