Existence After Death

lets say you make an AI an artificial inteligence would you realy pull the plug and kill it evan if it begs you not to do you realy think you would have the right (not might) to do so.

John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.John 20:22 - the Lord "breathes" on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord "breathes" divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to "men." Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles' successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth.Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.Matt. 18:18 - the apostles are given authority to bind and loose. The authority to bind and loose includes administering and removing the temporal penalties due to sin. The Jews understood this since the birth of the Church.John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18 - the power to remit/retain sin is also the power to remit/retain punishment due to sin. If Christ's ministers can forgive the eternal penalty of sin, they can certainly remit the temporal penalty of sin (which is called an "indulgence").2 Cor. 2:10 - Paul forgives in the presence of Christ (some translations refer to the presences of Christ as "in persona Christi"). Some say that this may also be a reference to sins.2 Cor. 5:18 - the ministry of reconciliation was given to the ambassadors of the Church. This ministry of reconciliation refers to the sacrament of reconciliation, also called the sacrament of confession or penance.James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man's authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says Therefore, confess our sins to one another, in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church.1 Tim. 2:5 - Christ is the only mediator, but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness.Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 - even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others. Sure, then that pretty much throws the concept of free will into the trash eh? The better question would be why God would ever allow him to be born to grow up and carry out his genocide. I suppose you can refer to free will...no wait you refuted that idea already. Oh I entirely agree. Council of Trent 4. If any one denies, that infants, newly born from their mothers' wombs, even though they be sprung from baptized parents, are to be baptized; or says that they are baptized indeed for the remission of sins, but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam, which has need of being expiated by the laver of regeneration for the obtaining life everlasting,--whence it follows as a consequence, that in them the form of baptism, for the remission of sins, is understood to be not true, but false, --let him be anathema. For that which the apostle has said, By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men in whom all have sinned, is not to be understood otherwise than as the Catholic Church spread everywhere hath always understood it. For, by reason of this rule of faith, from a tradition of the apostles, even infants, who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this cause truly baptized for the remission of sins, that in them that may be cleansed away by regeneration, which they have contracted by generation. For, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Funny like?..HowFunny like?..How John Smith talkin to angels in the 1800's receiveing adendums to the King James Bible in the form of Golden Plates? Silly eh? Or what about Prophet Mohammed getting the word of God that to be martyrd will give you everlasting life in paradise with giant comcubines? Or Xemu comming to Earth imprisoning alien souls in Earths volcanoes? Sound rational? or silly? One should not poke fun at anothers religion unless he is willing to scruitinze his own sillyness. How silly does your own religion stack up? Yes I suppose your fortunate to have all the answers and it is so simple for you. Edited by 1.61803, : grammer/spelling

Guess you weren't reading the same bible as me...
Just because a person says they are a Christian doesn't mean they are one.
I can say I'm an engineer but at the end of the day, by my actions, you can see I am not an engineer. Make sure you read it thouroughly before quoting it. Matt 2533He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
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34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
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41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Matt 7
14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

I was meaning in context of how bad is it? No law in there is bad.
You have a problem with it because you take the lords name in vein and worship other gods and don't keep the sabbath. At the end of the day you have a problem with the law because I believe you hate it.Nobody is expecting you to obey it, just making a point.

But if you are a member of an Engineering Society and recognized as an engineer, you are one. You may well be a poor and incompetent engineer, but you are still an engineer.If you are a member of the Lions Club or a Moose or a Shriner then that is what you are.If someone is a member of a chapter of Club Christian, then they are a Christian.And yes, in Matthew 25 the Goats are pretty obviously Jesus' followers, what today we call Christians.Edited by jar, : lost an a in there somewhoEdited by jar, : and a hyspostrophy

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Denying freedom of religion is bad. Hate is a strong word, I dislike laws that deny people the freedom of religion

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

Well Obviously you are catholic 1.61803. I believe in the apostolic foundation. There is much to be said about the proofs herein but, in a nutshell, you are right, Jesus did give the apostls the foundation ability to plant the first churches. Peter being a capstone, cornerstone. But that doens't necissarily mean that the cornerstone or refoundation is constantly being built. If you are interested in my reasoning please PM me. Before you talk about Free Will, ask yourself this question and look up it's definition. How much of your decisions in this life is completely without interferance, influence, culture or cooersion by any outside source? If you have even 1, you do not have absolute free will.
You have a problem with God allowing somoene to do something you don't like yet the bible is chalked full of things that lead us down 1 path. Nothing that happens and i did say Nothing happens outside of the Will of God. He works ALL things according to the council of his Will. also, how to you handle: John 6:44 all of Romans 9?
I recon the only one who truly can make a decsion without any outside influence is God. Therefore God really is the only being with Free Will. I am not about to oust church history but without biblical substanance, it is meaningliess as the breath out of the nostril of man. Baptisim is important. Baby baptism in a human act to somehow secure its place in heaven is unbiblical sir. Im talking about the roman church not mormanism or islam right now. The roman church ("catholic"). Says they believe in the same God as me, read the same bible as me; yet the bible overflows with the Soverignty of God. Man has his responsibilty of course, but not in his salvation. That is 100% God 0% man. Its not simple friend... its so impossible that the thrice holy son of God had to come down, become the very curse he hates, die and be shamed on a tree, shed his blood, be crushed by his own father and resurect from it so that we may be saved.

Forgive me dr jones. I do not mean to imply.
Most of land law is build on the 10C
Right now, you don't have any law holding you to God. The 10 C are for his people ultimately. In the case of have no other God's before me obvioulsly means other religions but also means loving your Car more then God, video games more then God etc. etc.However, in everyones case before God, the law applies to you and me because we are all guilty of transgressing God; however, you are free to make your decision against it. I was just saying you donn't like that law because you don't love God.At the end of the Day, the law is there. The reson why there is a new covenant (new testament) is because God knew nobody could be sinless, everyone breaks the law, even the ones who try not to. Man cannot come to God and please him on his own. This is the whole reason for the merit of Jesus.

So this God fellow let people all trundle along straight to damnation from the time of Adam to the time of Jesus, knowing full well that he was going to fry all their sorry butts because he had made them incapable of following his rules.Is it still failing to dawn on you why there are some of us that don't buy into your mythology?

I have no idea how you can say that with a straight face.
Clearly that is not true. Never legally enforced/prohibited:
"You shall have no other gods before me"
"You shall not make for yourself an idol"
"Do not take the name of the Lord in vain"
"Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy"
"Honor your father and mother"
"You shall not commit adultery"
"You shall not covet your neighbour's wife"
"You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbour" Occasionally illegal:
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour" Illegal:
"You shall not murder"
"You shall not steal"

This thread has taken off since I last replied to you, I'm late so feel free to not respond if you're swamped with other, more relevant, posts. Granted I've only read it once and do not study it, but you're saying the Bible says we'll be on a new planet? Or do you mean earth as in another land of dirt somewhere, perhaps even on this planet?What do you mean by, or how did you interpret, "new earth?" Oh there is definitely outside influence, environmental influences to be exact. I don't believe in atheism, you cannot consciously do that. It's not a "thing" to believe in, such as religion, or god.Atheism is a position 0-(zero) on the question of, Are there gods? All I say is that there isn't any empirical evidence for god/s so I remain skeptical that there is one or a few, or whatever.You on the other hand, are free to make the positive claim that you do believe in god, by applying faith I assume if you're a practicing Christian. But surely you remain skeptical of all the other gods proposed to exist in the various religions and philosophies? Or do you believe in all of them?It seems like you're approaching my atheism as there only existing one possible god concept, and that I've decided not to believe in it - and that is obviously not the case. I don't see any evidence for ANY god/s, not just the one you happen to believe in. And if I'm not mistaken, neither do you, yes? - Except for one of course. Actually, the notion of "nothingness" is a religious notion. The Bible claims god created everything from what? Not space parts and left over past universes - from nothingness, right?So if you're a follower of the god of the Bible YOU would be the one putting your faith in nothingness. Or rather, the ability of an unevidenced entity being able to create from nothingness. Yeah, I understand the Christian belief quite well, having been raised one and still have practicing parents.I would imagine this would have to be the image of god that a believer has, if not, that would be one morbid, self hating belief you guys had. Yes, and so do you . You're just unwilling to accept it and maintain a belief that there is more...because you want more. You don't want life to end, and neither do I, nobody does. That's why we survive in the worse conditions and fight to stay alive by any means necessary. It's no wonder we create an afterlife, a secret afterlife not known to humans: it is an inherent quality of living organisms to want to stay alive. We humans with a consciousness, want the consciousness to stay alive TOO.I get it, I just have no need for it. My existence in this life is suffice, I'm humbled my life's delicacy and live it to the fullest. I don't need any more, and I see no evidence that would validate a belief that there is one. And yet strangely enough our odds are about the same, so it's not much of a wager. It would benefit us both to believe in as many gods as we could get familiar with. That would increase our odds of having picked the right one instead of believing that, by sheer coincidence, you picked the right one of thousands that have been proposed.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

If you mean never historically, this isn't true - and some of these are still sometimes enforced today. Some of the theocratic regimes of the Middle Easy have laws against idolatry and blasphemy - even Ireland, in modern secular Europe, has blasphemy laws - which they've recently strengthened in contradiction to everywhere else in Europe (though I don't reckon a charge would stand up to legal challenge).There are all sorts of laws in various US states about 'keeping the Sabbath holy' - prohibitions against the sale of alcohol on Sunday, for example. Adultery carries very strict punishments in some countries - Malaysia, for example.dyluck's certainly wrong that all, or even most, law is based on the ten commandments, but most of them have made it into secular law here and there.

Laws tend to get more complex over time - laws are amended, rather than removed.
If there was a historical law about (e.g.) coverting, then we would still see signs of it on the law books.Yes, some countries have a few laws that match the 10C's.
But I do not believe that means they were based on the 10C's.
I would argue that the 10C's are based on 'normal' morality + Jewish/Israelite morality.
I am very certain that murder was considered wrong before the 10C's were invented. If we were to grab a law book from a western country, I doubt if much of it could be tied to the 10 commandments.
It would be full of non-religious, obscure laws.
e.g.
No person may carry a fish into a bar.
All cats must wear three bells to warn birds of their whereabouts.
It is illegal to pick seaweed up off of the beach.
Boogers may not be flicked into the wind.Edited by Panda, : Made correction to error pointed out by Modulous.

Fixed

I don't know if there's ever been a law about coveting (how could it be enforced), but the rest that I'm talking about are hardly obscure. Of course laws are abandoned - many countries have completely rewritten their legal codes. The Czech Criminal and Civil Codes, for instance, are very recent - they're amended from the Communist era codes, which were themselves de novo creations. Sure, they are influenced by old legal traditions and older laws, but some bits - such as laws regarding blasphemy, are simply gone.Amongst countries like Britain with different legal systems, where the ancient bits cling around in statute law long after they become enforceable, the laws are still on the books. Old laws about blasphemy and the preservation of the Sabbath are still there to read, even if they've been superseded by recent laws. There was an attempt to bring a blasphemy prosecution in England fairly recently, which the judge angrily dismissed as a waste of time, so the law was formally abolished as part of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.It's all well and good to say that these laws (murder and theft and whatnot) are part of standard human morality, but I'm not so sure that blasphemy is. When Christian people put these things in the legal codes, quoting the Bible as they did so, I think it's safe to argue them as coming from the Ten Commandments.