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frako
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Message 1 of 139 (581114)
09-13-2010 7:04 PM


i think it would be good to know what would it take for a atheist to convert to a theist a theist to convert to a atheist.
what would convert me on the spot would be
a manifestation of a god if i am sure i am its not a trick of the mind or a hallucination if he comes i will convert. (wheres a talking burning bush when you need one)
no other exsplenation possible
aliens who belive in the exsact same religion
miracles like atheists getting struck by lightning more often, or theists recovering more often than atheist from fatal injuries
indisputable prophecies coming true (selfforfilling, one in a 100, trivial and vague do not count)
knowledge that was not available at the time if a passage of the bible would say moses i say to you your energy is your mass times the speed of light multiplied upon itself i would convert
i think by now you get the idea im more interested what would it take for a theist to convert to atheism or a another theism

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Message 2 of 139 (581123)
09-13-2010 8:54 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the what would it take to convert you to the other side thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
kjsimons
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Message 3 of 139 (581124)
09-13-2010 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by frako
09-13-2010 7:04 PM


Not a bottle in front of me!
I'll be honest, a frontal lobotomy, the removal of my higher reasoning, is the only thing that could possibly make me a theist.

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jar
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Message 4 of 139 (581125)
09-13-2010 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by frako
09-13-2010 7:04 PM


If I die and there is simply cessation... wait, do I need to be conscious to convert to atheist?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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hooah212002
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Message 5 of 139 (581126)
09-13-2010 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by kjsimons
09-13-2010 9:29 PM


Re: Not a bottle in front of me!
Zombie Fucking Jesus, in the rotting flesh, getting me drunk off his blood-wine, turning my loaf of Wonder Bread into a Largemouth Bass.
{ABE}
whoops, didn't mean this as a reply to kjsimons.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Buzsaw
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Message 6 of 139 (581127)
09-13-2010 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by kjsimons
09-13-2010 9:29 PM


Re: Not a bottle in front of me!
kjsimons writes:
I'll be honest, a frontal lobotomy, the removal of my higher reasoning, is the only thing that could possibly make me a theist.
LOL. Careful there. Many an athiest has been converted by prayer of Christians, the drawing power of God's Holy Spirit, enlightment from God's holy book, and conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Taz
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Message 7 of 139 (581129)
09-13-2010 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by frako
09-13-2010 7:04 PM


what would it take to convert you to the other side?
Simple. If buzsaw prays for me to get struck by lightning and I do indeed get struck by lightning, I will convert.

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Buzsaw
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Message 8 of 139 (581130)
09-13-2010 10:28 PM


Re: No Turning Back!
According to Revelation 13, all nations and tribes and tongues will be required to worship the beast's (world power) speaking image or to be killed. In Revelation 20 we learn that the method of execution will be by beheading. The TV/computers in homes are indeed speaking images viewable by all nations, tribes and tongues.
Only in these latter techy days has this prophecy been fulfillable.
Christians are forbidden to worship any beside Jehovah, the Biblical god. If I am still alive when this (soon to come) requirement becomes reality, I will be beheaded rather than to recant.
Last century, millions of Christians were killed by their own athiestically minded, anti-religion governments rather than deny God and for religious activities. If need be, I would have been one of them, rather than to deny the Lord Jesus Christ.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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subbie
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Message 9 of 139 (581131)
09-13-2010 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Buzsaw
09-13-2010 10:02 PM


Re: Not a bottle in front of me!
Many an athiest has been converted by prayer of Christians, the drawing power of God's Holy Spirit, enlightment from God's holy book, and conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement.
Well, one thing's for sure. They were never converted by evidence.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 139 (581132)
09-13-2010 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Taz
09-13-2010 10:27 PM


Re: what would it take to convert you to the other side?
Taz writes:
Simple. If buzsaw prays for me to get struck by lightning and I do indeed get struck by lightning, I will convert.
LOL, Taz. If you get struck by lightning, too late to convert. Judgement next.
Na'er a curse wish from ole man Buz, Taz. Buzsaw prays only what's good for you. May God's goodness and mercy be upon you and yours.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 139 (581134)
09-13-2010 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by subbie
09-13-2010 10:29 PM


Re: Not a bottle in front of me!
subbie writes:
Well, one thing's for sure. They were never converted by evidence.
Many were and/or are scientists who work with the evidence. They discovered that, low and behold, there's more than one interpretation of things observed.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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subbie
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Message 12 of 139 (581135)
09-13-2010 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
09-13-2010 10:41 PM


Re: Not a bottle in front of me!
And you know what comes next.
Any evidence for your claim?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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purpledawn
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Message 13 of 139 (581136)
09-13-2010 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Buzsaw
09-13-2010 10:37 PM


Re: what would it take to convert you to the other side?
quote:
LOL, Taz. If you get struck by lightning, too late to convert. Judgement next
Well, Hun, you're supposed to pray for the nonlethal lightening. You know, just a tap on the shoulder to get his attention.

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Tram law
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Message 14 of 139 (581137)
09-13-2010 10:50 PM



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Buzsaw
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Message 15 of 139 (581138)
09-13-2010 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Tram law
09-13-2010 10:50 PM


Tram law writes:
This video explains it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqUsC2KsiI
Welcome to EvC, Tram law. Two problems in the video:
1. There are former theists here who have converted to athiesm, contrary to the video.
2. Your video athiests would require specific dates for fulfillment of prophecy. Why? What's wrong with specific events or specific evidence verifying fulfillment; evidence, that is, like things naturally impossible, such as techy stuff na'er thought possible becoming reality and a nation of people scattered globally to return to their native nation after dispersion of nineteen centuries, etc?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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