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Mostly the danger comes from the south, but a fair bit from the west, too--all those red welfare states that suck the federal teat and complain about socialism. Yeah? You were with me until I implied that Democrats are to the left of Republicans? Aw, shucks, don't be so formal. Just call me Mister Bones.

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Be that is it may, many moderates consider themselves so. But I didn't claim any of that.This started because I said many in the field (of broadcasting) consider The Daily Show a news show. And you replied with a dismissive, "No one in the field thinks that."I don't think the Daily Show is a news channel, but many in broadcasting do. And the Indiana Univ. experiment showed just why many think that.So my point was made, many in broadcasting DO consider Stewart's show news. I believe the correct response to your arrogance is, he is a Libertarian/Socialist and a conservative as he claims to be, regardless of what you say.What makes your statement anymore substantial than his? The thing for us to do is perhaps debate why he consdiers himself so, and maybe come to an understanding. But saying, "I'm right, he's wrong" doesn't do shit. Wait, are you under the impression that Noam means a conservative as in Pro-Choice (liberal) -vs- Pro-Life (conservative)...? Is that how you distinguish the two?You do realize that both terms, conservative and liberal, existed long before arguments about abortion, same-sex marriage and all the other distracting hot-button issues that tend to split this country down the middle into faux-conservative/liberal positions did, right?You do realize that when Chomsky says conservative he is NOT refering to the contemporary use of the terms, right? Well, lets see where we got side-tracked and if you're right I'll gladly concede... Message 54

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Nobody "in the field" really considers the Daily Show a news source

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Well, as I've pointed out, and supported what I said with evidence, many in the field do. See Message 55But in fact, all of that is true. Unless you'd like to twist the words around, I specifically said that HE considers himself to be a Libertarian and conservative. And I only gave the Chomsky example because we were discussing the different past political positions and terms, and I was trying to show how some people use the terms different.Now, we can get on with discussing what a liberal is, a conservaitves is by today's standards and the difference with what it used to be. We can discuss why Chomsky believe he is a conservative, etc. We can do all that fun stuff. But when I try to make a point and you jump on it, like you did in the above examples, so dismissively, then, when I provide the evidence for you, shift the argument to something else without showing some humility, then it is not worth while to continue. It will be never ending, and I already found a dude in this site to do that with and don't want more of that.- Oni

Why? Because you said that, or crash said it? What makes your statement that he's not any more substantial than Chomsky claimng that he is?Do you understand his full stance on things? Have you delved into how he is using the term and why he uses it? Or is this a blanket statement?Like I wrote to crash, you do realize that today's use of the terms don't really represent what they used to mean, right? The term conservative and liberal existed long before contemporary liberal and conservative arguments existed. So, it is in that sense that Chomsky uses the terms, and NOT by today's standards. Perhaps, just maybe, today's use of the terms are more propaganda based, and not really representative of the true meaning of the words.Here is his stance on porn:Quite conservative, don't you think?Here's his stance on the pro-life/choice debate:Quite conservative, don't you think?On Obama and his cabinet:Not liberal at ALL!Here he is hating on NPR, what is considered a liberal news source:Noam Chomsky on the consequences of liberal disillusionment with the Obama administration and a deliberately uninformed American populace:Do you need more evidence about his NON-Liberal stance?- Oni

If you're going to turn it into a Chomsky topic, at least you could have gotten his name in the subtitle. Instead we've mostly had a long string of "Re: The Echoing Press".Closing in about 15 minutes.AdminnemooseusEdited by Adminnemooseus, : Turn on signature.

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