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Author Topic:   Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?
Coragyps
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Message 31 of 657 (580047)
09-07-2010 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by frako
09-07-2010 10:27 AM


Re: Calculations. Yay!
They ate manna, not lambs. You need to be figuring how many scale insects need to be making honeydew from how many desert shrubs to feed that many people.

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frako
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Message 32 of 657 (580054)
09-07-2010 12:48 PM
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09-07-2010 12:10 PM


Re: Calculations. Yay!
Biblical description
Manna is described as being comparable to Hoarfrost in size. Hoarfrost on grass lawn.
According to the book of Exodus, manna is white, like Coriander seed.
In the description in the Book of Exodus, manna is described as being available six mornings a week, after the dew had evaporated.[1] It is described in the Book of Numbers as arriving with the dew during the night;[2] Exodus adds that manna was comparable to hoarfrost in size,[1] similarly had to be collected before it was melted by the heat of the sun,[3] and was white like coriander seed in color.[4] Numbers describes it as having the appearance of bdellium,[5] adding that the Israelites ground it and pounded it into cakes, which were then baked, resulting in something that tasted like cakes baked with oil.[6] Exodus states that raw manna tasted like wafers that had been made with honey.[4] The Israelites were instructed to eat only the manna they had gathered for each day. Leftovers or manna stored up for the following day "bred worms and stank":[7] the exception being the day before Shabbat (Preparation Day), when twice the amount of manna was gathered, which did not spoil overnight.
this is form wikipedia
how could i have been so foolish to forget that god was in play here and that he suplyed them whit magical food that fell from the sky each morning except on the sabbath and it rotted away durnig the night except on the night before sabbath. if he could make it rain food for 40 years why cant he make it rain food in africa where thousands are dying evry day because of starvation, or whhy couldent he make it rain some food in the concentration camps.

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frako
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Message 33 of 657 (580074)
09-07-2010 2:30 PM
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09-07-2010 8:55 AM


Re: Artifact Evidence, Etc
it is my opinoin that what really happened got lost trough gossip
exsample and a true story
a few years ago a friend of mine got in to a terrible motorcycle accident luckaly they where able to help him in the hospital and he survived though he hadto remain in the hospital for 2 months.
this is what people where saying during that time
1 week he had an accident cause he was drunk and he died (he was not drunk and he dint die)
2 week the burial alredy took place many were there (no burial you dont bury somone that is alive and noone coould have been there)
3 week the mother had a mental brake down and was viseting a mental hostpital (no she did not have a mental brake down and she was visiting him in a normal hospital.)
you would imagine the surprise of the town when he came back to life or should i say when he came back from the hospital.
the same probably happened to most bible stories before they where written down im gussing in the caswe of the exsedus isrealites where escaping from egypt on a dayly basis or weekly and over time their stories fussed in to one grand story.

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Message 34 of 657 (580076)
09-07-2010 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by AnswersInGenitals
09-03-2010 7:39 PM


Re: Pharaoh was as thick as a brick!
And I thought you could read
quote:
4 But the king of Egypt said, "Moses and Aaron, why are you taking the people away from their labor? Get back to your work!" 5 Then Pharaoh said, "Look, the people of the land are now numerous, and you are stopping them from working."
6 That same day Pharaoh gave this order to the slave drivers and foremen in charge of the people: 7 "You are no longer to supply the people with straw for making bricks; let them go and gather their own straw. 8 But require them to make the same number of bricks as before; don't reduce the quota.
  —exodus:5:4-5
Next time try to, you know, read what you are referring. It'll keep you from wasting everyone's time with silly strawman
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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 657 (580131)
09-07-2010 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
09-07-2010 10:16 AM


LOL, Jar. Your view of the Horeb Rock is very poor, appearing to be from an obscure angle. Here is what should be shown. Note that the bottom photo shows the waterway, depicting a waterflow from the rock, when, in fact, there is no natural explanation for the waterway.
Your other photos are totally irrevelant strawmen, in that none of them have a shred of corroborating Exodus evidence as does the Horeb Rock.

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jar
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Message 36 of 657 (580134)
09-07-2010 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
09-07-2010 9:34 PM


But Buz, what makes you think that shows a waterway?
Do you have any idea what water worn rocks really look like? Look at what you show, There are no rounded rocks, just flakes that are typical of chemical and temperature flaking.
Do you understand that the very link you provided refutes their claim that it is water erosion?
Here are what water eroded rocks look like.
Compare that to the Wyatt photograph.
Why should anyone believe anything from WAR since as I have shown, they fake the evidence and withhold data?
Buz writes:
Your other photos are totally irrevelant strawmen, in that none of them have a shred of corroborating Exodus evidence as does the Horeb Rock.
Still waiting for you to present some of the alleged corroborating evidence?

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Message 37 of 657 (580137)
09-07-2010 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Coragyps
09-07-2010 12:10 PM


Re: Calculations. Yay!
Coragyps writes:
They ate manna, not lambs. You need to be figuring how many scale insects need to be making honeydew from how many desert shrubs to feed that many people.
The manna came later, after the Red Sea Crossing. They came out of Egypt with their cattle, which would have been used for sin sacrifice, milk and meat as long as they lasted.
Exodus 10:26 ASV:
Our livestock too must go with us; not a hoof is to be left behind. We have to use some of them in worshiping the LORD our God, and until we get there we will not know what we are to use to worship the LORD."

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Message 38 of 657 (580138)
09-07-2010 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
09-07-2010 9:55 PM


Jar, I've brought up the needful photos that you failed to cite. Believe what you want and let each look and go figure for themselves. The flow lasted at least long enough to erode a visible flow bed as shown.

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jar
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Message 39 of 657 (580139)
09-07-2010 10:03 PM
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09-07-2010 9:58 PM


On cattle and herds.
One thing about cattle and herds, they leave evidence. Yet guess what is NOT found?

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jar
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Message 40 of 657 (580141)
09-07-2010 10:08 PM
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09-07-2010 10:03 PM


Jar, I've brought up the needful photos that you failed to cite. Believe what you want and let each look and go figure for themselves. The flow lasted at least long enough to erode a visible flow bed as shown.
Are you saying that even though I included the link to the very picture you claimed as evidence that I failed to cite it?
Where is there a flow bed in the image?
Is this the image you want cited? If so, go back and look. I included it. If not, tell us which image you are talking about.

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Message 41 of 657 (580148)
09-07-2010 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
09-07-2010 10:04 AM


Re: Arabia/Midian Evidence
jar writes:
There is a claim that the altar of the golden calf was found, and that it also showed an Egyptian influence. This is the image used to support that assertion.
No golden calf was found that I'm aware of. What was found were these inscrptions at an alter site at the foot of Mt. Jabal el Lawz, the real Mt Sinai where it should be, Midian in Arabia. These inscriptions depict the golden calf.
jar writes:
There is nothing to suggest that it was ever an "altar" or that it has anything to do with calves, in fact there is not a single calf depicted on the whole face of the rock. The images themselves are common to much of the rock art found all around the Mediterranean from North Africa to Spain.
Not unless you show the sheeple the whole evidence as shown in the link of the pile of rocks in which the inscriptions exist.

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Message 42 of 657 (580150)
09-07-2010 10:45 PM
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09-07-2010 10:08 PM


Re: Rock Images
jar writes:
Is this the image you want cited? If so, go back and look. I included it. If not, tell us which image you are talking about.
That's not the image you showed. Yours does not clearly show the waterway, being obstructed by the person standing in the way.
BTW, are you going to concede that there's no sign of corroborating evidence whatsoever in your stawmen examples of other rock formations?

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jar
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Message 43 of 657 (580152)
09-07-2010 10:52 PM
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09-07-2010 10:36 PM


Re: Arabia/Midian Evidence
No golden calf was found that I'm aware of. What was found were these inscrptions at an alter site at the foot of Mt. Jabal el Lawz, the real Mt Sinai where it should be, Midian in Arabia. These inscriptions depict the golden calf.
Buz, did you even look at the pictures I posted?
They are not inscriptions.
There are NO inscriptions of the rocks. There are no calves on the rock. There is NO depiction of a golden calf.
Not unless you show the sheeple the whole evidence as shown in the link of the pile of rocks in which the inscriptions exist.
You mean like I did Buz?
Now let's discuss some more nonsense from Wyatt.
Remember the columns he found?
They are Roman Buz.
There was even a Roman city at Aqaba and a Roman road that was part of a highway system that extended down both sides of the Gulf of Aqaba.
I think part of the problem is that Wyatt and most of the audiences that watch his nonsense are totally ignorant of teh history of the area.
The supposed deserted area the Hebrews wandered through had been settled by folk for many centuries, civilizations like the Edomites, Egyptians, and later the Romans, Greeks and Muslims.

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jar
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Message 44 of 657 (580153)
09-07-2010 10:54 PM
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09-07-2010 10:45 PM


Re: Rock Images
That's not the image you showed. Yours does not clearly show the waterway, being obstructed by the person standing in the way.
But there is no waterway in the image YOU linked to. Look at the rocks. They are not water rounded, they are flakes, chips, what you get from wind and temperature erosion.
BTW, are you going to concede that there's no sign of corroborating evidence whatsoever in your stawmen examples of other rock formations?
Corroboration for what? That they are common formations found all over the world?

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Message 45 of 657 (580175)
09-08-2010 1:13 AM
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09-07-2010 10:36 PM


Re: Arabia/Midian Evidence
No golden calf was found that I'm aware of. What was found were these inscrptions at an alter site at the foot of Mt. Jabal el Lawz, the real Mt Sinai where it should be, Midian in Arabia. These inscriptions depict the golden calf.
Have you ever looked at a map of Southwest Asia? To get to Arabia, crossing the Red Sea and its closest point not going over Sinai, is ~100 miles. Otherwise to get to Arabia they would have had to cross the "Promised Land" or crossed the other arm of the sea and nowhere in Exodus does it state that.

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