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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Have you seen Buz present any evidence?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I just went through all of your posts on this thread and there was no evidence. Can you provide any evidence, other than your good book, that the exodus story has any basis in historical fact.
How about you just make a bullet point post listing each piece of evidence. That way I will know what you think is a piece of evidence. A lot of times you make a long post and then claim you presented evidence. So, how about a bullet list of all the pieces of evidence. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
And digging thousands of holes for poop
Over 40 years that would be millions of holes. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You got any evidence for that assertion!?
So you think it would be thousands of holes? And no it is not an assertion. I am doing a simple thought exercise on something that there is no evidence for even happening. How can I present evidence for something that is fanciful to begin with. Are you asking how did I arrive at millions of holes? If so ask me that question. There is no evidence because there is no evidence the Exodus even happened. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
All right you got me.
Poe's law lives and is confirmed again. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
it might be better to just enumerate the scientific support for them, if any. All Buz has is Wyatt's extraordinary claims. I might as well as claim that I have found the Ark of the Covenant here in Wisconsin. I can even supply photographs if anyone wants evidence. That is the quality of the "evidence" Buz has supplied. His claims of corroboration are other extraordinary claims by Wyatt.For corroboration of my claim, I can show photos of the Ten Commandments too. They are a little grainy and didn't come out well, but trust me it is the actual Ark and the actual Tablet of the 14 commandments(the bible seems to have left some out). Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
But Lennart Moller, Swedish marine biologist scientist Bullshit. Dr. Moller has no training or expertise in archaeology or anything marine related.
quote: Info from the website for Exodus Case We have debunked Moller and his crap before. Do you want to rehash this? I can certainly dig everything up again.
Moller's purpose was not to self promote and make spectacular announcements. And you know this how? Because he is a good Christian? Do you ever provide evidence for assertions? It is amazing how you fundies and creos are so willing to push this guys crap just be cause he has Dr. in front of his name. He is a Dr of medicine. That makes him no more qualified to write a book about archaeology than I am.
There was also a woman scientist named in the Video (forgot name) who did some research on the Saudi side of the crossing, also considering the discovery to be valid. Oh yeah that cinches it. What field is she a scientist in? Botany?
Some of the dates have been questioned and debated due to the tendency of Pharaohs to skew the dates and obliterate info which might damage their own reputation. It also behooved Egypt to conceal, as much as possible, the devastation of Egypt's defense military so as not to embolden enemy nations to attack. How about looking up these words.Assertion. Evidence. Do you truly not know what evidence is? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
One problem with research in the region is that the Islamic Saudi Arabia has a vested interest in undermining the Biblical record. Another assertion. Any evidence? Why would the Saudi's have a vested interest in undermining the biblical record. Do you know anything about Islam?t Any idea how the Islamic religion feels about Moses? You might want to learn something about the subject.
I believe it would not be legal to remove artifacts from the sea floor due to the Egyptians and Saudis but am not sure how that works or who has sovereignty over the sea borders. In other words you know nothing about the subject and you are talking out of your ass.
One problem with removing the wheel evidence would be keeping it intact for removal and analysis.
Ever hear of underwater archaeology? There are professionals that do this. Not scam artists like Wyatt and Moller. I noticed you never responded to the posts showing you that your representation of Moller's qualifications was a lie. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I know a whole lot about Islam. I have a copy of the Koran and am aware of what it says. I also have other books as well as the Internet from which I've acquired some knowledge. I know that the Bibles have been confiscated in Saudi Arabia. You do know that Moses is a major prophet in Islam don't you?
For Islamists to ascribe to the Biblical exodus, would be for them to legitimize the nation of Israel.
Please 'splain your reasoning here.
After all, Biblically, Jehovah promised the land of Canaan to the Jews forever. No?
Actually he promised it to the Israelites. I think an argument could be made that they were not Jews yet. But this story is all in the Quran. Even the idea that God(Allah) promised canaanite to the Israelites. So why would they want to discredit a story that is in their holy book?
I have a copy of the Koran and am aware of what it says.
Evidently not. You might try actually reading it. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The depth of the sea near the traditional Sinai is no where near as shallow as Nuweiba. Please show us this shallow crossing at Nuweiba. Here is a christian site that presents a very comprehensive refutation for Nuweiba.
quote:Source Any idea how deep 765 meters is? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Certainly, Saudi Arabia would have a vested interest in avoiding the Exodus, favorable to the Jews and all else relative to the Old Testament scriptures which were favorable to the Jews and unfavorable to the Islamic nations. This is so ridiculous I have to respond.How is the Exodus story unfavorable to the Islamic nations? Because the Israleites supposedly out witted and destroyed the egyptians in it. You do realize that the Egyptians were not islamic and were not even arab. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Just a marine scientist's techy underwater photographs and videos of wheel and axle shaped corral crusted forms, again at the right place in the row of ducks. Who is this marine scientist? Can you show us these "techy" photos? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Any chance you are going to answer this? Maybe provide some evidence for your claims?
Theodoric writes: Just a marine scientist's techy underwater photographs and videos of wheel and axle shaped corral crusted forms, again at the right place in the row of ducks. Who is this marine scientist? Can you show us these "techy" photos? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Lennart Moller of Sweden is all over the thread and there is some of his photography as well
He is not a marine scientist and he has produced no "techy" photos. Matter of fact there are no "techy" photos anywhere. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Does some of these claims count as evidence? Evidence for what? Exodus?
They are now forced to admit that Israel was already in Canaan at the time of Merneptah. Israel was big and strong enough to challenge Egypt in battle. Why?
quote:Source There are also some alternative translations of this stele. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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