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Author Topic:   "Creation Science" experiments.
Blue Jay
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Message 29 of 396 (579449)
09-04-2010 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dawn Bertot
09-03-2010 8:41 PM


Re: Contestant Number 1
Hi, Dawn.
Dawn Bertot writes:
hooah212002 writes:
Also, any number of invasive species. If life was designed, why doesn't all life live harmoniously? Remember, this is the science forum, so "the fall" copout won't cut it.
Oh my goodness, this is palpably the most ignorant, stupid, moronic statement I ever witnessed in all of my years of debating.
No, it's not. It's pretty goofy, you're right: but, it's not the stupidest or the most moronic thing you've ever witnessed.
Besides, it was a question, not a statement.
If a statement comes from ignorance, ridiculing it is understandable and perhaps excusable.
But, if a question comes from ignorance, ridiculing it is never understandable or excusable.
The first principle of science is to ask a question when you don't know the answer to it.
Science is moved forward by ignorant people asking questions in order to cure their ignorance.
Science is held back by arrogant morons who ridicule ignorant people who ask questions in order to cure their ignorance.
Now, I sympathize with---and perhaps even agree with---your opinion that the reason for Hooah's question was not actually something so innocuous as a cure for his ignorance, but such palpable ignorance as you feel Hooah is showing (whether deliberate or not) should be relatively straightforward to cure with simple logic and science. And, even if Hooah is resistant to the cure, surely some lurker or other onlooker will benefit from your attempting to cure his ignorance.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 30 of 396 (579450)
09-04-2010 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by hooah212002
09-02-2010 10:25 AM


Re: Contestant Number 1
Hi, Hooah.
hooah212002 writes:
If life was designed, why doesn't all life live harmoniously? Remember, this is the science forum, so "the fall" copout won't cut it.
It is a well-known principle that challenges and competition can select for the best, the most productive, and the most efficient designs.
Creationists accept this principle to: in fact, creationism is often strongly married with the political form of this principle (the free-market principle).
Obviously, if things were designed, why wouldn't they also be designed to compete and to be challenged for their successes?
Furthermore, if things were designed, why wouldn't they also be designed to feed off one another and thereby generate a system that can be sustainable without further input from the designer?

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 35 of 396 (579530)
09-04-2010 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by hooah212002
09-04-2010 11:03 PM


Re: Contestant Number 1
Hi, Hooah.
hooah212002 writes:
...while I appreciate you calling me ignorant...
C'mon! You know what "ignorant" means.
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hooah212002 writes:
I've linked to the thread where all of secular science has been bad-mouthed so I don't think it is so cut and dry to say that creationists in general accept a natural explanation for how life coincides with life.
What I'm saying is that natural selection is a peripheral issue. Design doesn't have to deny natural selection, so experiments into the existence of natural selection aren't meaningful for the debate.
What I didn't say, but should have, is that, because of this, beneficial mutations, and not natural selection, have the be the focus of any experiment that hopes to distinguish evolution from intelligent design, because this is where they diverge.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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