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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Marc Hauser May Have Fabricated Data at Harvard Lab - The New York Times
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"Harvard authorities have made available information suggesting that Marc Hauser, a star researcher who was put on leave this month, may have fabricated data in a 2002 paper... "Some forms of scientific error, like poor record keeping or even mistaken results, are forgivable, but fabrication of data, if such a charge were to be proved against Dr. Hauser, is usually followed by expulsion from the scientific community... "Dr. Hauser’s case is unusual, however, because of his substantial contributions to the fields of animal cognition and the basis of morality. Dr. Altmann held out the possibility of redemption. If he were to give a full and frank account of the errors he made, then the process can start of repatriating him into the community in some form, he said... "The small size of the field in which Dr. Hauser worked has contributed to the uncertainty. Only a handful of laboratories have primate colonies available for studying cognition, so few if any researchers could check Dr. Hauser’s claims. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
This is a great example of the ethical culture that is Science and that seems to be lacking in Theology. In science, even withholding data that refutes your hypothesis is grounds for sanctions.
This is an example of the scientific method at it's best. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3658 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Hahaha...catching someone in science using unscrupulous and fraudulent tactics to gain academic noteriety is evidence for the ethical, and scrupulous culture of science. Wahahaha.
You guys are good.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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You know, adopting a sarcastic tone in which to tell the exact truth doesn't make it one bit less true; nor does the word "Wahahaha" have any more power to abolish reality than, for example, the word "Abracadabra".
Yes, it is in fact ethical and scrupulous for scientists to catch and denounce unethical and unscrupulous practitioners. That would be pretty much the sine qua non of an ethical and scrupulous culture. If you can think of any other way for a culture to be ethical and scrupulous, then I'm sure that we'd all like to hear it; I am fairly sure that neither this nor anything else was communicated by the word: "Wahahaha". We may with advantage compare the culture of science to a pseudoscientific culture such as creationism. If every creationist who made stuff up was kicked out of creationism, then we'd quickly reach the point where the last guy had to kick himself out. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3658 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Wahhahaha...you are a riot, A.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Bolder-dash writes: Hahaha...catching someone in science using unscrupulous and fraudulent tactics to gain academic noteriety is evidence for the ethical, and scrupulous culture of science. Wahahaha. You guys are good. Actually yes it most certainly is. The important thing is that there is a culture of ethics in science that is enforced by the scientific community. The fact is that Science identified the problem and took actions to sanction the person. This is entirely different then the culture in Christian Creationism and the ID movement in particular. Take a look at the Wyatt Archaeological Research site or the Creation Museum where absolute falsehoods are not simply tolerated but celebrated. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Wahhahaha...you are a riot, A. You know how I explained to you that the word "Wahahaha" is not a magic word that abolishes reality? Well, it also doesn't work if you add an extra "h". But do please let me know if you can think of any reply to my post that involves actual English words arranged in grammatical sentences to form a substantive argument.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Bolder-dash writes:
Yes. Catching someone is a clear indication that that sort of behaviour is unacceptable. You can't catch either misconduct or honest mistakes unless you look for them. Why don't creationists look for misconduct and honest mistakes among their own? ...catching someone in science using unscrupulous and fraudulent tactics to gain academic noteriety is evidence for the ethical, and scrupulous culture of science. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
First of all, Percy, that avatar creeps me out everytime I look at it. Could you please use something else less horrifying?
Any idea who blew the whistle on this one?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I believe his students first raised concerns about some of his conclusions by writing a letter. Then Harvard began an internal investigation, found evidence of misconduct under Federation of American Scientists' regulation and are now cooperating with the Mass. District Attorney's office in their investigation (federal funds were used).
Clear evidence of secular atheistic cabal of elite who will go to any lengths to cover up the Great Lie that morality can exist without God 'because monkeys can be moral'. A point that Balderdash has cunningly* pointed out. I have referenced some of Hauser's work (though I don't think anything where he was lead author) here at EvC so I'm rather interested in the outcome of this one. He has so far admitted to 'mistakes', but has not admitted to misconduct.
Here is a bit about the Editor in chief of Cognition, the journal that published the paper:
quote: * Cunning: The skill of being sly, conniving, or deceitful. Word chosen for the Baldrick reference. Cos you know, Bolder-dash, Balder-rick and so on. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3658 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Surely you are not also going to claim that because a guy lie and cheated, and was caught by a major university, and they actually did something about it, that this is a great badge of honor for the scientific community are you?
The Catholic church also punished a few priests you know? I wonder what you think would be evidence for some LACK of ethics in the scientific community-if they never caught anyone cheating? If they never had written a letter demanding action, and never reprimanded anyone, would that mean that cheating must be rampant? BTW, Freud was never rebuffed, or discredited. He is still widely regarded today by many in the scientific community. He is one of the most famous scientists ever. I guess no students ever wrote a letter demanding action about his fraudulent behavior. Funny though, Modelmiss.
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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Bolder-dash writes: Surely you are not also going to claim that because a guy lie and cheated, and was caught by a major university, and they actually did something about it, that this is a great badge of honor for the scientific community are you? The events at Harvard are an example of the self correcting nature of science. It isn't possible for a researcher to hide things he makes up about the real world because other researchers will try to replicate his results and see if the real world really behaves as he claims. What's interesting about this case is that it didn't even get to the point of failed attempts at replication. His own students turned him in. It would be nice if religion would shut down their charlatans, like faith healers Peter Popoff and Benny Hinn. --Percy
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lfen Member (Idle past 4705 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
jar writes: In science, even withholding data that refutes your hypothesis is grounds for sanctions. Unless you are doing research for a big pharmacy company. I wish we could bring those corporation to justice and remove their exemption from telling the truth.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ah, yes, contract and trade secret law.
But that is outside of the scientific method. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3658 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
Are you trying to tell me that you don't believe that scientists who are hired by large companies like pharmaceutical companies or oil and environment companies, don't withhold data they know is damaging to their company, or skew results that paint their companies interests in the best possible light?
Just look at virtually ANY self-funded research into the ill effects of a companies product and try to tell me you honestly believe this. It is not even possible to be that naive.
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