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jar
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Message 76 of 83 (577365)
08-28-2010 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Buzsaw
08-27-2010 11:29 PM


Well, no Buz, Isaiah 40:22 does not depict a globe. Have you ever actually read the Bible?
quote:
Isa 40:22 says;
22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
It is not depicting anything like a globe or sphere, more like a picnic blanket. Like all of Isaiah 40 it is poetic imagery, not a description of reality.

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jar
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Message 77 of 83 (577387)
08-28-2010 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Buzsaw
08-27-2010 8:33 PM


Re: Zero Evidence
Buz writes:
The scientific (I say scientific) evidence against the flood is debatable, relative to pre-flood properties of the atmosphere and surface of the planet.
I'm sorry Buz but that is simply not true and you have been shown the evidence that refutes it totally. The evidence found with Oetzi totally refutes any pre-flood properties of the atmosphere or the surface of the planet.
You have NEVER tried to address the evidence of Oetzi.
Then there is also the genetic evidence today that also has been presented to you many, many times.
The scientific evidence is overwhelming and conclusive.
Buz writes:
The scientific (I say scientific) evidence of water being turned into wine is not debatable in that the properties of water and wine are known.
I'm sorry but that is not even a reasonable statement. Of course we know how to turn water into wine. First grow grapes...LOL

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Tram law
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Message 78 of 83 (577534)
08-29-2010 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by jar
08-28-2010 11:33 AM


Isn't that being a little bit literal?
Often, a globe is seen as a flat circle.
And the line "and spreads them out like a tent to live in" is also curious.
Because when you think of it, tents only start out flat before they are able to be lived in. They have to be assembled and supported from collapsing before they can be lived in. That means they become a 3d structure.
Much like a flat circle becoming a globe.
But that's simply another way among lots of different interpretations of the verse.

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jar
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Message 79 of 83 (577538)
08-29-2010 1:42 PM
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08-29-2010 1:28 PM


Isn't that being a little bit literal?
Not at all. It is looking at the whole passage. If you look at the whole passage what you see is an image of some dude on a throne covered by a canopy looking down at the floor below. Over all the image is three dimensional but the individual objects are two dimensional.

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Message 80 of 83 (577545)
08-29-2010 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Tram law
08-29-2010 1:28 PM


Isn't that being a little bit literal?
If it truly was a meaning a globe, the viewer would be blocked from viewing a whole hemisphere no matter where they sat over it. The passage clearly wants to represent the ability to see all people from the throne.
Often, a globe is seen as a flat circle.
Where? By who?. A flat circle of the earth is not a globe. Any attempt to represent a globe as a flat circle creates distortions, for example a mercator projection.
Because when you think of it, tents only start out flat before they are able to be lived in. They have to be assembled and supported from collapsing before they can be lived in. That means they become a 3d structure.
Much like a flat circle becoming a globe.
But it isn't the earth he is stretching out it is the heavens. The implication of the verse is the heavens stretch out to cover the flat earth. The tent covers over the flat. If there reference was to a globe the verse should mention something about surrounding don't you think?
Your attempt to use apologetics completely alters the meaning of the verse to suit what you want it to say.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 81 of 83 (579584)
09-05-2010 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Buzsaw
08-20-2010 10:06 PM


Re: Theists Who View The Bible As Mythology
i think i will enter right here with buzzsaw's response.
TO: biblical theistic evolutionists-- why do you persist in believing in a biblical God whom you claimed lied and said He did something He did not do? then for the next 5,000 years kept repeating that lie and had His followers keep it in print?
at best, you are hedging yur bets and trying to have your cake and eat it too. you want the benefits of christianity not the suffering and you want to continue to believe secular science. it won't work for all youare telling the unbelieving world is that you do not believe the God you claim and that secula r science over rules Him.
who would want to believe in a God like is over-ruled by people who are thousands of years removed from the actual act or origin?
clearly theistic evolutionists need to drop the term 'theistic' and just be evolutionists because God knows you do not believe or follow Him thus get rid of the pretense and be honest.
if you want to be saved and be a christian then you have to drop all evolutionary thinking, the following of secular science and the practice ofunbelief and turn backto the ible and follow God.
Genesis 1 is correct as recorded and it shows a God who is the only one and who has thepower to create all things from just speaking. now that is a god to believe in for when you get into trouble, youwant someone more powerful than the other guy's god to be on your side.

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jar
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Message 82 of 83 (579624)
09-05-2010 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 3:51 AM


Re: Theists Who View The Bible As Mythology
now that is a god to believe in for when you get into trouble, youwant someone more powerful than the other guy's god to be on your side.
And so you create God in your image.

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jar
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Message 83 of 83 (579655)
09-05-2010 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 3:51 AM


Re: Theists Who View The Bible As Mythology
archaeologist? writes:
TO: biblical theistic evolutionists-- why do you persist in believing in a biblical God whom you claimed lied and said He did something He did not do? then for the next 5,000 years kept repeating that lie and had His followers keep it in print?
What makes you think GOD lied?
Now admittedly, the character god in many of the stories lies, for example the character god in Genesis 2&3 lies when he tells Adam that the day he eats the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge he will die, but that is simply a character is a story.
at best, you are hedging yur bets and trying to have your cake and eat it too. you want the benefits of christianity not the suffering and you want to continue to believe secular science. it won't work for all youare telling the unbelieving world is that you do not believe the God you claim and that secula r science over rules Him.
Not true. I believe that reality trumps fiction.
clearly theistic evolutionists need to drop the term 'theistic' and just be evolutionists because God knows you do not believe or follow Him thus get rid of the pretense and be honest.
I do not see how in any honesty I can deny the record that GOD actually left us, the Universe we live in.
if you want to be saved and be a christian then you have to drop all evolutionary thinking, the following of secular science and the practice ofunbelief and turn backto the ible and follow God.
Honestly, no one has a clue whether or not they are saved.
Genesis 1 is correct as recorded and it shows a God who is the only one and who has thepower to create all things from just speaking.
Genesis 1 is factually incorrect.

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