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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 51 (574882)
08-18-2010 8:58 AM
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08-17-2010 11:23 PM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Coyote writes:
The recent batch of conservatives, the social conservatives, are entirely different. They are largely evolved from southern Democrats, and seem to want to impose their religious views on everyone else by political means. They are certainly not for small government and fiscal responsibility.
What are you talking about, Coyote? Millions of conservatives aren't even evangelical Christians. Also, it is mostly liberals who advocate for Islamic interests and black militants in this nation which really does aspire to impose their religious and racial views on everyone.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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nwr
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Message 32 of 51 (574887)
08-18-2010 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 8:58 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Buzsaw writes:
Also, it is mostly liberals who advocate for Islamic interests and black militants in this nation which really does aspire to impose their religious and racial views on everyone.
Most of the liberals that I know are very critical of Islamic culture and of black militancy.
They do, however, support the US constitution, and the bill of rights.
You are doing what so many on the right do. You see instances where liberals stand up for the bill of rights, and you totally misconstrue it as support for things you don't like.

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 51 (574893)
08-18-2010 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by nwr
08-18-2010 9:21 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
nwr writes:
You see instances where liberals stand up for the bill of rights, and you totally misconstrue it as support for things you don't like.
Relative to the Bill of Rights, liberals don't apply it to talk radio but miss-apply it to defend the rights of those violent interests I've cited which seek to suppress freedom in America and forcefully impose their values on the people.
OTO, conservatives conserve lawful and non-violent aspects of the the Bill of Rights as was the intent of the signers of it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hooah212002
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Message 34 of 51 (574897)
08-18-2010 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 9:52 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
which seek to suppress freedom in America and forcefully impose their values on the people.
Oh, like how american christians want christianity everywhere and shoved down everyones throat, effectively ending any religious freedom? The religious right wishes to impose their religion on everyone, hardly the other way around.
Louisiana School District Flirts with Creationism
Palin wants creationism taught in school
Two counties in Kentucky wish to put the 10 commandments outside the court house
Prayer in public meetings
Shall I continue?

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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jar
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Message 35 of 51 (574898)
08-18-2010 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 9:52 AM


talk radio?
Buz writes:
Relative to the Bill of Rights, liberals don't apply it to talk radio but miss-apply it to defend the rights of those violent interests I've cited which seek to suppress freedom in America and forcefully impose their values on the people.
Once again you seem to be simply posting falsehoods. Can you support a single piece of evidence in support of you position?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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DBlevins
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Message 36 of 51 (574918)
08-18-2010 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 8:58 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Also, it is mostly liberals who advocate for Islamic interests...
How could it be wrong for someone to 'advocate' for another culture's interest? Why shouldn't I advocate for the interests of people from a different culture than my own? What happened to do unto your neighbor as you would do unto yourself?
As far as imposing religious views on everyone? Pot meet Kettle.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 51 (574919)
08-18-2010 12:35 PM
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08-18-2010 10:05 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
hooah writes:
Oh, like how american christians want christianity everywhere and shoved down everyones throat, effectively ending any religious freedom? The religious right wishes to impose their religion on everyone, hardly the other way around.
Like the liberals and secularists who wish to impose their values on evreyone, all must do it lawfully and according to the rules. Who does so more effectively wins. That's the way it works. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you don't like what's happening in some respects, like we don't as well in others. It's up to us all to go to work to determine who gets what in the end.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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nwr
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Message 38 of 51 (574921)
08-18-2010 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 9:52 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Buzsaw writes:
Relative to the Bill of Rights, liberals don't apply it to talk radio but miss-apply it to defend the rights of those violent interests I've cited which seek to suppress freedom in America and forcefully impose their values on the people.
You are spinning the usual right wing lies.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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jar
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Message 39 of 51 (574922)
08-18-2010 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 12:35 PM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Buz writes:
Like the liberals and secularists who wish to impose their values on evreyone, all must do it lawfully and according to the rules.
I suppose you can actually show where liberals or secularists really imposed their values on ANYONE?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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DBlevins
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Message 40 of 51 (574924)
08-18-2010 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 12:35 PM


Freedom to worship
Like the liberals and secularists who wish to impose their values on evreyone, all must do it lawfully and according to the rules.
No, num-nuts. Liberals are not imposing their values on you. They don't want your values imposed on everyone. ie. You should have the freedom to not visit the neighborhood liquorstore on the fine Sunday, but don't tell me I can't.
Liberalism is being open to change. Conservatives abhor change.

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hooah212002
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Message 41 of 51 (574925)
08-18-2010 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 12:35 PM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
I provided evidence to back up my claim, I suggest you do the same.
Who does so more effectively wins.
Maybe in Buz's house, sure. But the rest of us live in the real world.
Like the liberals and secularists who wish to impose their values on evreyone, all must do it lawfully and according to the rules.
No, buz. just no. I would liek to know if you even know what secular means. The only thing a secularist may do in this regard is fight for freedom of religion....for ALL religions, AND for those who choose NO religion. That's the part you don't seem to understand.
Now, put up or shut up.

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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bluescat48
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Message 42 of 51 (574938)
08-18-2010 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 12:35 PM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Like the liberals and secularists who wish to impose their values on evreyone, all must do it lawfully and according to the rules.
What values do we liberals & secularists try to impose on everyone?
Equality, freedom of choice, equal pay for equal work. Other than things which benefit all, there is no imposition. Rather the rightwing, theocrat creos who want mythology accepted as science or change history to reflect their Christian bigotry. (Texas school board again)
ie: removing Thomas Jefferson from the ranks of influential people.

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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ringo
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Message 43 of 51 (574939)
08-18-2010 2:27 PM
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08-18-2010 12:53 PM


DBlevins writes:
Liberalism is being open to change. Conservatives abhor change.
A lot of people who call themselves "conservative" would be better called "reactionary". They do want change but mostly backward change. They want to get back to the good old days when all (white) men were created equal, women were in the kitchen, homosexuals were in the closet, abortions were in back alleys and Muslims were far away.
For conservative Christians, I suppose it makes sense that they want to conserve their perverted view of "fallen" man. If man was capable of improvement, who would need their perverted "gospel"?

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Coyote
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Message 44 of 51 (574947)
08-18-2010 2:42 PM
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08-18-2010 2:27 PM


A lot of people who call themselves "conservative" would be better called "reactionary".
A lot of people who call themselves "conservative" would be better called "libertarian;" they want small government, and want to be left alone. The last thing they want is the government snooping, particularly in bedrooms.
The modern religious right wants big government as long as it furthers their particular religious beliefs. Making laws to enforce their particular dogma is a goal for these folks, and the government snooping in bedrooms is just fine with them. Bah!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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DC85
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Message 45 of 51 (574970)
08-18-2010 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
08-18-2010 8:58 AM


Re: Meaning Of Conservative
Millions of conservatives aren't even evangelical Christians.
Indeed Buzz Many of these are definition Libertarians(American) who support Religious freedom and are not into wasteful spending such as excessive Military and War. The word Libertarian seems to also been hijacked by the Religious right. What does it mean now?
Also, it is mostly liberals who advocate for Islamic interests
To be honest Buzz I don't like Islam at all. I however will stand up when people try to deny them rights given to them by the Constitution.
and black militants
Please define... If this leaks into a discussion into a topic about NAACP or ACLU I'd be happy to take that debate in another topic.
and seem to want to impose their religious views on everyone else by political means.
This one floored me. You mean "conservatives" pushing Christian "principles and morals" into law isn't doing this? I'm somewhat confused.
and racial views on everyone.
wanting to be treated the same in all aspects of life is pushing horrible views on the population?
Edited by DC85, : No reason given.

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